Questioning the Crucifixion

[QED]

I hope it will be possible to have a sensible debate about what will no doubt be a very emotive issue here -- an issue that I genuinely don't understand and one that fills me with curiosity: Why it is that the execution of Jesus is supposed to be such a 'big deal'? After all, people were being strung-up all over the place for their beliefs, crimes or even just for sadistic pleasure. Whole rivers of blood have flown out of unjustified human agony before and after the this one particular event. But the crucifixion of Christ is meant to stand out -- because of what?

Sure he was the son of god (or one third of the trinity if that makes a difference) but he was also supposed to be supernatural, with the ability to perform miracles such as returning to life (I'm thinking PlayStation character here). So in what way was his 'death' a set-back for god, in what way was it a loss to anyone?

Had the Romans actually killed an irreplaceable (or mortal) son of God, then there would have been a genuine sacrifice but as he arose afterwards there doesn't seem to be any net loss hence I'm puzzled by the enormous impact it seems to have on the followers of Christianity. When a mortal loses a son that surely is a tragic and irreplaceable loss (and there are no shortages of these unfortunate events in history) yet none that I can think of have made anything like the same sort of impact. Is it rational then that the Crucifixion should have such an impact or should it, if anything, be regarded as somewhat less consequential given the apparent lack of harm it did to those concerned?

[bernee51]

Bernie

I have enough problems on my own without you lying for me.

I wouldn't lie for you - I'm sure you can do a fine job yourself.

GIA wrote
Correct so let me.

I am not in communication with God.

See my point is proven already.

GIA wrote
No. The only point is that you place words in my mouth that I do not.

Are you denying now you claim to have or have had telepathic communication with god?

GIA wrote
Never have. Once only.

Did you or did you not claim to have visited heaven "only once"[/b
]
GIA wrote
As indicated. One time.

Please be sure of your facts before denigrating someone else OK.

Your own words condemn you.

If that is the case show me my quote.

Regards
DL

As you wish...On April 30 in this thread you wrote "On my one and only visit to Heaven, I could sence it. I also sensed a feeling of impatience and desire to rush things along. Like the end time might be nearing."

So are you or are you not in telepathic communication with god?

Have you or have you not visited heaven?

[Greatest I Am]

Bernie

I have enough problems on my own without you lying for me.

I wouldn't lie for you - I'm sure you can do a fine job yourself.

GIA wrote
Correct so let me.

I am not in communication with God.

See my point is proven already.

GIA wrote
No. The only point is that you place words in my mouth that I do not.

Are you denying now you claim to have or have had telepathic communication with god?

GIA wrote
Never have. Once only.

Did you or did you not claim to have visited heaven "only once"[/b
]
GIA wrote
As indicated. One time.

Please be sure of your facts before denigrating someone else OK.

Your own words condemn you.

If that is the case show me my quote.

Regards
DL

As you wish...On April 30 in this thread you wrote "On my one and only visit to Heaven, I could sence it. I also sensed a feeling of impatience and desire to rush things along. Like the end time might be nearing."

So are you or are you not in telepathic communication with god?

Have you or have you not visited heaven?

As indicated by the above, I have had one direct communication with God.
I am not at present nor do I expect another.
I like to stay away from those who have a "daily" relationship with God.
Too much.

Regards
DL

[bernee51]

Bernie

I have enough problems on my own without you lying for me.

I wouldn't lie for you - I'm sure you can do a fine job yourself.

GIA wrote
Correct so let me.

I am not in communication with God.

See my point is proven already.

GIA wrote
No. The only point is that you place words in my mouth that I do not.

Are you denying now you claim to have or have had telepathic communication with god?

GIA wrote
Never have. Once only.

Did you or did you not claim to have visited heaven "only once"[/b
]
GIA wrote
As indicated. One time.

Please be sure of your facts before denigrating someone else OK.

Your own words condemn you.

If that is the case show me my quote.

Regards
DL

As you wish...On April 30 in this thread you wrote "On my one and only visit to Heaven, I could sence it. I also sensed a feeling of impatience and desire to rush things along. Like the end time might be nearing."

So are you or are you not in telepathic communication with god?

Have you or have you not visited heaven?

As indicated by the above, I have had one direct communication with God.
I am not at present nor do I expect another.
I like to stay away from those who have a "daily" relationship with God.
Too much.

Regards
DL

Right - I think i have it now.

You once had a 'telepathic' communication with god...you no longer do.

You once visited heaven but haven't been back since.

On that visit you sensed that there was an urgency on the part of god in that you felt he was impatient and was wanting to hurry things along.

[McCulloch]

Moderator Note

I think that we have accurately assessed GIA's claims. Now, unless those claims are somehow relevant to the question being debated, I suggest that we move on.

[Greatest I Am]

Moderator Note

I think that we have accurately assessed GIA's claims. Now, unless those claims are somehow relevant to the question being debated, I suggest that we move on.

Thanks

Repetition is dreary.

Regards
DL