What About the Sea Creatures?

[Skeptical]

I know that JWs believe in a Paradise on Earth. And I know that some of the Bible verses that they base their beliefs on are Genesis 1:28-30 in conjunction with Isaiah 11:6-9 and Revelation 21:1-4. However, I would like to ask JWs and other Christians who have the belief in paradise earth: What about the sea creatures?

Because even in the Bible, the dangerous and ferocious creature Leviathan was created by God according to Psalm 104:24-26. Plus, according to science, there are other dangerous and ferocious creatures that God created such as sharks. But in all fairness, I would like to post this 2 minute and 8 seconds video, which puts sharks in the best light possible.



However, if that was too long for you, I have this 51 second video, which features characteristics that only a Creator God could create. (Hebrews 3:4 and Revelation 4:11)



Therefore, are the scriptures that mention total peace in the human kingdom and the animal kingdom only referring to land creatures? And do those verses exclude the sea creatures? Because I don't quite get it.

But here is another example of the electric eel in this 2 minute and 25 second video, even though there are many, many more dangerous and predatory sea creatures such as this.

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...What about the sea creatures?.... But in all fairness, I would like to post this 2 minute and 8 seconds video, which puts sharks in the best light possible....
Therefore, are the scriptures that mention total peace in the human kingdom and the animal kingdom only referring to land creatures? And do those verses exclude the sea creatures?

Great white sharks have apparently also very good livers, because Orcas kill them just to eat the liver.

It is interesting that Bible tells that at some point there is no sea:

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and the sea no longer is.
Rev. 21:1

Maybe it means there will be no sharks... ...or that they live in rivers.

I don't know what really happens for all sea creatures, sorry. But, I believe God is good and whatever He does, it will be good.

[JehovahsWitness]

Sharks have gotten a bad rap from the disaster movie "JAWS" apparently most are harmless to humans.

Most sharks are not dangerous to humans — people are not part of their natural diet. Despite their scary reputation, sharks rarely ever attack humans and would much rather feed on fish and marine mammals. Only about a dozen of the more than 300 species of sharks have been involved in attacks on humans - National Oceans Service webpage

Source: https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sha ... n%20humans

As with mammals and other "dangerous" animals, I don't see why the the dozen or so cannot adapt over time. I don't believe humans will grow scales and live in the oceans so I see no reason this will be a huge issue.

What about Great Whites?

There are far more survivors of white shark bites than there are fatalities. International Shark Attack File reports that fewer than 17% of the unprovoked attacks by this species have been fatal since records began in 1580.

Scientists aren't sure why great whites usually spit humans out after a 'sample bite'. Some think it might be that we don't contain enough calories, or that the sharks are just curious but can only investigate with their sensitive teeth and jaws. - Natural History Museum website
Source : https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/great-wh ... arvel.html

In any case, there is no account of Adam or Noah being harmed by any animals (even Jonah was spat out when swallowed ) so I am not the least worried that God can create the happy balance promised in scripture.

LEVITICUS 26: 3, 6

“‘If you continue walking in my statutes and keeping my commandments ... I will rid the land of vicious wild animals, and a sword of war will not pass through your land.

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[Skeptical]

...What about the sea creatures?.... But in all fairness, I would like to post this 2 minute and 8 seconds video, which puts sharks in the best light possible....
Therefore, are the scriptures that mention total peace in the human kingdom and the animal kingdom only referring to land creatures? And do those verses exclude the sea creatures?

Great white sharks have apparently also very good livers, because Orcas kill them just to eat the liver.

It is interesting that Bible tells that at some point there is no sea:

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and the sea no longer is.
Rev. 21:1

Maybe it means there will be no sharks... ...or that they live in rivers.

I had always thought that the book of Revelation was a symbolic book.

I don't know what really happens for all sea creatures, sorry. But, I believe God is good and whatever He does, it will be good.

That sounds like overcredulousness to me. Which doesn't sound like a wise thing to me.

[Skeptical]

Sharks have gotten a bad rap from the disaster movie "JAWS" apparently most are harmless to humans.

Most sharks are not dangerous to humans — people are not part of their natural diet. Despite their scary reputation, sharks rarely ever attack humans and would much rather feed on fish and marine mammals. Only about a dozen of the more than 300 species of sharks have been involved in attacks on humans - National Oceans Service webpage

Source: https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sha ... n%20humans

So, is that a yes to my questions of: "are the scriptures that mention total peace in the human kingdom and the animal kingdom only referring to land creatures? And do those verses exclude the sea creatures?"

As with mammals and other "dangerous" animals, I don't see why the the dozen or so cannot adapt over time.

So, are you saying that they will adapt and stop being predators?

I don't believe humans will grow scales and live in the oceans so I see no reason this will be a huge issue.

I have no idea what you mean by that.

What about Great Whites?

There are far more survivors of white shark bites than there are fatalities. International Shark Attack File reports that fewer than 17% of the unprovoked attacks by this species have been fatal since records began in 1580.

Scientists aren't sure why great whites usually spit humans out after a 'sample bite'. Some think it might be that we don't contain enough calories, or that the sharks are just curious but can only investigate with their sensitive teeth and jaws. - Natural History Museum website
Source : https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/great-wh ... arvel.html

In any case, there is no account of Adam or Noah being harmed by any animals (even Jonah was spat out when swallowed ) so I am not the least worried that God can create the happy balance promised in scripture.

But not within the sea creature kingdom.

[Skeptical]

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But in your post #2 in that thread, you said:

But how do you explain .. the billions of sentient animals that have suffered incredible pain and agony over the course of hundreds of millions of years,

The bible indicates that God did not intend animals to harm each other ...

But how do you know whether or not Isaish 11:6-7 is to be taken literally? Because Bible verses such as Psalm 104:21 and Job 38:39-41 paint a different picture than your interpretation.

39 “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness
and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40 when they crouch in their dens
or lie in wait in a thicket?
41 Who provides food for the raven
when its young cry out to God
and wander about for lack of food?

[Skeptical]

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Also, in your post #2, you said:

Can an omnipotent God that made digestive systems of animals out of nothing not see them adapt to His will?

Well, is there a reason why an omnipotent God made digestive systems of predatory animals carnivorous capable in the first place? Because that would answer a lot of questions for me.

[JehovahsWitness]

So, are you saying that they will adapt and stop being predators?

I don't see why not. We will just have to wait and see but one thing is for sure, God promises peace with the animals and there is nothing in the bible that limits that peace only to land creatures.

GENESIS 1

Further, God blessed them, and God said to them: “Be fruitful and become many, fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving on the earth.”

[JehovahsWitness]

... Bible verses such as Psalm 104:21 and Job 38:39-41 paint a different picture ...

Psalm 104:21 and Job 38:39-41 describe animals as they exist today. Isaiah 11 is pointing forward and has its major fulfillment during the reign of the promised Messiah (compare verses 4). It is true, man's relationship with animals is very different from what it will be in the future according to bible promises.

Notice a parallel bible promise in Isaiah chapter 65 which speaks of God creating {quote} "creating new heavens and a new earth" a theme a Peter repeats hundreds of years after the Israelites returned from Exile. So the prophecy of Isaiah points forward to a future time when edenic conditions are restored on earth under the kingdom government of God.

But how do you know whether or not Isaish 11:6-7 is to be taken literally?

Because God's original purpose is presented in Genesis and the bible promises his word will come true.

GENESIS 1 :26

Then God said: “Let us make man in our image,+ according to our likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth

GENESIS 9 :2

A fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the earth and upon every flying creature of the heavens, upon everything that moves on the ground and upon all the fish of the sea. They are now given into your hand

[Skeptical]

So, are you saying that they will adapt and stop being predators?

I don't see why not. We will just have to wait and see but one thing is for sure, God promises peace with the animals and there is nothing in the bible that limits that peace only to land creatures.

But your answer leans into fictional territory because it doesn't make sense as to why God made them predators/carnivores in the first place.