What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

[JoeMama]

Christians,

How would your life change if you were to learn that the resurrection of Jesus never occurred?

[Miles]

Did he cease to exist in any form?

Yes. Exactly. According to the bible nothing of a person survives death. They cease to exist.

So, because the 144,000 Heavenly seats have all been taken, the only alternative for equally deserving people---those who were simply born too late----is making up the “great crowd,” who will live on the Paradise earth serving the wants and needs of the lucky 144,000. For all others--- it's !

..... Question: How many "people" do you think will be needed to service the 144,000? Maybe 10 per person; 1,440,000 altogether? Maybe twice that number; 2,880,000? Hmmm. . . In other words, don't get your hopes up Miles. God's little game of, A. Win Heaven, B. Win a job on the eternal serving line, or C. Win utter extinction, while morbidly cute, is awfully one sided, favoring ancient Israelis to the exclusion of all others, as it were. Nice of god to stack the deck, don't you think.

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[TRANSPONDER]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #3]

But what if Christ spirit lived on and not his body? ...

I dont know what that means ; it makes no sense.


Scripturally speaking the spirit is just the life force that keeps us alive and it really belongs to God. When God "switches that force off" the person dies, his body decomposes and the person ceases to exist in any form ... anywhere.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

SOULS, SPIRIT and ... THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD

Of course it makes sense. Even if souls and the spirit is not part of your belief, you at least know of the idea. Just as a suggestion, the idea that Jesus' spirit could have resurrected while his body stayed dead may not be what you want to credit, but you do yourself no favours by pretending that the idea is incomprehensible to you. But since you don't believe in the spirit living on after the body dies, this is an argument that...well... it makes no sense to you.

[JehovahsWitness]

How many "people" do you think will be needed to service the 144,000?

What do you mean "to service the 144,000"? What "service" in your imagination do you believe they would require?



JW




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HEAVEN , GOD'S KINGDOM and ... THE 144, 000

[TRANSPONDER]

How many "people" do you think will be needed to service the 144,000?

What do you mean "to service the 144,000"? What "service" in your imagination do you believe they would require?



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

HEAVEN , GOD'S KINGDOM and ... THE 144, 000

Whatever is required and ordered. The imagination runs riot.

[Miles]

How many "people" do you think will be needed to service the 144,000?

What do you mean "to service the 144,000"? What "service" in your imagination do you believe they would require?

"JW’s believe that there are three classes of people; the “little flock” which after death will reside in Heaven, the “great crowd” that will reside on Earth and the rest that will be non-existent.

Those that make up the “great crowd” will live in the “Paradise earth” and serve the 144,000 in Heaven that make up the “little flock”.

“These dedicated, baptized ‘other sheep’ of the ‘great crowd’ have not been begotten to be God’s spiritual sons, with a heavenly inheritance.” (Holy Spirit, 1976, p. 157)

“The rest of faithful humankind will live on earth as the subjects of these rulers.” (Watchtower, February 15, 1984, p. 9)

“The vast international company of ‘other sheep’ who do not partake, will enjoy everlasting life on the Paradise earth.” (Watchtower, March 15, 1983, p.9)
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[JehovahsWitness]

How many "people" do you think will be needed to service the 144,000?

What do you mean "to service the 144,000"? What "service" in your imagination do you believe they would require?

Those that make up the “great crowd” will live in the “Paradise earth” and serve the 144,000 in Heaven that make up the “little flock”

Where did you get this statement from? It seems you have fallen victim to misinformation. Please always source from our official website for accurate information as to the beliefs of Jehovahs Witnesses.

www.jw.org


JEHOVAH’S WITNESS

[Miles]

How many "people" do you think will be needed to service the 144,000?

What do you mean "to service the 144,000"? What "service" in your imagination do you believe they would require?

Those that make up the “great crowd” will live in the “Paradise earth” and serve the 144,000 in Heaven that make up the “little flock”

Were did you get this statement from?

Click on the "source" right below the quote.

It seems you have fallen victim to misinformation.

Boy, the quoted piece from the Watchtower, February 15, 1984, p. 9 that says “The rest of faithful humankind will live on earth as the subjects of these rulers” certainly implies that those of the Great crowd, as subjects of these rulers, the little flock, will be serving them. Isn't that the relationship between subjects and their rulers; they serve the rulers' needs and wishes, and obey their dictates?

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[JehovahsWitness]

Those that make up the “great crowd” will live in the “Paradise earth” and serve the 144,000 in Heaven that make up the “little flock”

Were did you get this statement from?

Click on the "source" right below the quote.

It seems you have fallen victim to misinformation.

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The statement IN BROWN is not from the Watchtower site and is not part of beliefs. You will find no statement published by the Watchtower society that the great crowd "serves" or "services" the 144,000.

I'm not accusing you of misquoting the Watchtower, it is not your fault, when sources are unreliable inaccurate quotations can be copied.


JW

[Miles]

Those that make up the “great crowd” will live in the “Paradise earth” and serve the 144,000 in Heaven that make up the “little flock”

Were did you get this statement from?

Click on the "source" right below the quote.

It seems you have fallen victim to misinformation.

Boy, the quoted piece from the Watchtower, February 15, 1984, p. 9 that says “The rest of faithful humankind will live on earth as the subjects of these rulers” certainly implies that those of the Great crowd, as subjects of these rulers, the little flock, will be serving them. Isn't that the relationship between subjects and their rulers; they serve the rulers' needs and wishes, and obey their dictates?

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The statement IN BROWN is not from the Watchtower site and is not part of beliefs. You will find no statement published by the Watchtower society that the great crowd "serves" or "services" the 144,000.

Yet it conforms to what the Watchtower, February 15, 1984, said on p. 9. See my explanation in post 17.

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[JehovahsWitness]

Isn't that the relationship between subjects and their rulers; they serve the rulers' needs and wishes ...?

That may be the case in this world for human governments but biblically that will not be the case with Christ and his 144,000 co-rulers. Indeed rather than speak of those in paradise serving their rulers, the Watchtower makes the following explicit statements in regard to service ...

These individuals, who would number 144,000, would serve as underpriests in God’s spiritual temple arrangement. (Revelation 7:4; 14:1; 20:6) - Watchtower 2000 January 15 p.16 par 10

The priesthood in Israel was just a shadow of a much greater priesthood​—the 144,000, who will serve alongside Christ in heaven. (Heb. 4:14; 8:3-5; 10:1) - Watchtower 2019 November 15 p. 24 par 14

The subjects will of course be obedient to their king Jesus and those he works with but the latter are in need of no "servicing" from any humans.


JW