Questions about Jesus and JW’s

[MissKate13]

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” This is how the NWT reads (John 1:1).

Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?

2. JW’s say Jesus is a created being.

When was Jesus (capital or lower case g) created?

I look forward to your responses to one or both questions.

MissKate13

[JehovahsWitness]

It is more acceptable if we let the Bible interpret itself.
And also let lexicons, translations and commentaries assist for further study.

Agreed. That's what Jehovahs Witnesses do, we we let the Bible interpret itself and we also let lexicons, translations and commentaries assist for further study. We still come to a different interpretation.



JW

[Capbook]

It is more acceptable if we let the Bible interpret itself.
And also let lexicons, translations and commentaries assist for further study.

Agreed. That's what Jehovahs Witnesses do, we we let the Bible interpret itself and we also let lexicons, translations and commentaries assist for further study. We still come to a different interpretation.



JW

Do commentaries assist you?
We differs in interpretation maybe because you have your own exclusive Bible translation.
"The New World Translation of the Bible is Jehovah's Witnesses own translation, no other religious group uses this Bible and Jehovah's Witnesses make very little use of other Bibles." (quote online)

[JehovahsWitness]

We differs in interpretation maybe because you have your own exclusive Bible translation.

No, that cant be the reason because accept and reference many different translations.

[Capbook]

We differs in interpretation maybe because you have your own exclusive Bible translation.

No, that cant be the reason because accept and reference many different translations.

It could be because as Byington said it is well supplied with faults.

Steven T. Byington said in 1950, "Jehovah's Witnesses have made their own translation of the book for which they consider 'New Testament' an illegitimate name. It is well supplied with faults and merits.[114] Byington reports that he agrees with the translation of some words and not others. (Wikipedia)

[JehovahsWitness]

We differs in interpretation maybe because you have your own exclusive Bible translation.

No, that cant be the reason because accept and reference many different translations.

It could be ...

No it could not be because we accept and reference many different translations.

[Capbook]

We differs in interpretation maybe because you have your own exclusive Bible translation.

No, that cant be the reason because accept and reference many different translations.

It could be ...

No it could not be because we accept and reference many different translations.

So you agree with Steven T. Byington?

[JehovahsWitness]

No it could not be because we accept and reference many different translations.

So you agree with Steven T. Byington?

Is Byington a bible reference or a translation?

[Capbook]

No it could not be because we accept and reference many different translations.

So you agree with Steven T. Byington?

Is Byington a bible reference or a translation?

Steven Tracy Byington (birthname Stephen) (December 10, 1869 – October 12, 1957) was a noted intellectual, translator. Whom have commented about your translation.

[JehovahsWitness]

No it could not be because we accept and reference many different translations.

So you agree with Steven T. Byington?

Is Byington a bible reference or a translation?

Steven Tracy Byington (birthname Stephen) (December 10, 1869 – October 12, 1957) was a noted intellectual, translator.

Did you quote a scripture from his translation, I dont see it.

[2timothy316]

What Barnes thinks is in conflict with Christ and the Bible. I'd recommend reading the Bible for yourself and not letting Barnes determine what you believe.

What does Jesus think? "The Father is greater than I." John 14:28

What does the Bible say? After Jesus death what is Jesus final position? Co-Ruler with his Father? Nope. "But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." 1 Corinthians 15:28. This scripture clearly separates the two as one having complete rulership and the other being in subjection to the other. Not equal.

Your interpretation of 1 Cor 15:28 differ from JFB exegesis, they understand Jesus is co-equal with the Father.

I gave no interpretation. I read the Bible as it says. There is no reason to interpret 1 Cor 15:28 to mean something else that what it plainly says.
JFB has no authority over my understanding of the Bible. Thus I do not care how JFB understands anything. JFB is the lord over your faith, not mine.

How you understand it, that is your interpretation.

No it isn't. It is called reading comprehension. As you read my words now there is no need to try to interpret them to find some hidden or different meaning. 1 Cor 15:28 contains no hidden meaning. Just read it as you see it. Of course this will be impossible for someone that feels they must change everything they read so that it fits their dogma. If one reads something in the Bible then says to themselves, 'that can't be right because it doesn't fit what I believe' then I'd recommend tossing the Bible out the window, as it does them no good.

Reading comprehension is the ability to process written text, understand its meaning, and to integrate with what the reader already knows. Reading comprehension relies on two abilities that are connected to each other: word reading and language comprehension.

Interpretation is an explanation or opinion of what something means. I gave no explanation or opinion of what 1 Cor 15:28 means. So when the Bible says "the Son himself will also subject himself to the One", that is a quote. This is not my explanation or opinion of the text. What you read from the Bible is what you get from the Bible. If you change what it says then that is YOUR interpretation, you're assigning it an explanation and you're giving your opinion. I am not.

To interpret means to understand the words you are reading, understanding the context of the passage you are reading and then comparing it's meaning to the rest of the theme of the passage or the complete book.
The first question of this thread is,"Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” Lower case g.
So, may I test your reading comprehension with this verse;
Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.(NIV)

Why change the verse in question? Are you done talking about 1 Cor 15:28? Have you accepted that I am using simple reading comprehension and I am not using an interpretation of 1 Cor 15:28?

Do you know what it means to start arguing about something else that is not being debated? It's called a strawman. It comes from the idea that rather addressing head on the point in question, a defender brings up a totally different subject, a strawman to hit, rather than the actual target. One hits the strawman rather than the real target because they want to hit something they they think they can win against. Rather than discussing my reading comprehension vs your accusation of my interpretation of 1 Cor 15:28, you've change the scripture. Thus changing the target scripture as you think you can win the argument by introducing different scripture but can't win versus 1 Cor 15:28.

So can we stick with reading comprehension vs interpretation of 1 Cor 15:28? Or do you accept that I didn't interpret 1 Cor 15:28? Introducing a whole scripture is to invite your defeat on 1 Cor 15:28 and open a whole new debate on a new scripture.

Again, you're saying reading comprehension and interpretation have the same meaning but they do not mean the same thing.

The thread is titled "Re: Questions about Jesus and JW’s" and not 1 Cor 15:28. So Romans 9:5 is in the scope of the thread (about Jesus) I believe. Not a strawman.
Maybe I could request your understanding about it.

Peace.

So you're done with 1 Cor 15:28?

We could go back to 1 Cor 15:28, if you grant my request.

LOL like some kind of ransom demand? As 1 Cor 15:28 is an answer concerning "questions about Jesus and JWs" and you're not willing to continue, I'll just accept your surrender since you're not willing to continue.