Why Was Satan . . .

[Miles]

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. . . given power to tempt man, thus leading man into sin and eventually causing him to go to hell?


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Couldn't god have done it without Satan's help?


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[Capbook]

I believe you misunderstood the text. When Job still maintains his integrity, is the trial already happened or not?
And who did the trial against him?

Could it be that we are speaking at cross purposes here. There two different English meanings of the world "TRIAL"? To which are you referring in your question?

EDNT defines "trial" dokimion as testing, authenticity. (1Pet 1:6,7)

NT:1383 dokimion means of testing; authenticity
(from Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament © 1990 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)

1 Peter 1:6,7
6 In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials,
7 so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

I believe you misunderstood the text. When Job still maintains his integrity, is the trial already happened or not?
And who did the trial against him?

[JehovahsWitness]

And who did the trial against him?

Which use of the word "trail" are you asking about? Definition [1] or Definition [2] ? (I cannot answer until I know what you are talking about - see below)

[onewithhim]

"Though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason"?

This passage in the book of Job has already been explained. Did you not see it?

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And who did the trial against him?

Which use of the word "trail" are you asking about? Definition [1] or Definition [2] ? (I cannot answer until I know what you are talking about - see below)

I already defined it from Lexicon not from Oxford.

[JehovahsWitness]

And who did the trial against him?

Which use of the word "trial" are you asking about? Definition [1] or Definition [2] ? (I cannot answer until I know what you are talking about - see below)

I already defined it from Lexicon not from Oxford.

And I have already asked for clarification (see above)

[Capbook]

"Though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason"?

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Do you believe that God allows trials and tribulation in our lives?

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"Though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason." (Job 2:3) May I know whose words is this to you?

Lexicon define "although thou movedst me" to request.

OT:5496 cuwth —
to incite, to allure, to instigate, to entice (Hiphil)
1) to incite (to a request)
2) to allure, to lure
3) to instigate (bad sense)
(from The Online Bible Thayer's Greek Lexicon and Brown Driver & Briggs Hebrew Lexicon, Copyright © 1993, Woodside Bible Fellowship, Ontario, Canada. Licensed from the Institute for Creation Research.)

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Trying? or tried? Remember Job still holdeth fast his integrity.
Of course God is not guilty, we are guilty if we fail God's trials.
Is anything would happen if God does not allow it?

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It is God talking to Satan. Satan was trying to get Jehovah to strike down Job. But God was not guilty of acting against Job.

Trying? or tried? Remember Job still holdeth fast his integrity.
Of course God is not guilty, we are guilty if we fail God's trials.
Is anything would happen if God does not allow it?

That's right, as I said before. God allows bad things to happen, but He does not cause them. The trials are Satan's.

[Capbook]

And who did the trial against him?

Which use of the word "trial" are you asking about? Definition [1] or Definition [2] ? (I cannot answer until I know what you are talking about - see below)

I already defined it from Lexicon not from Oxford.

And I have already asked for clarification (see above)

Your definition does not refer to faith.
Judge? Civil proceedings? Clinical trials?
Do Oxford dictionary have more weights to you that Bible lexicons?

I believe you did not answer this and misunderstood the text. When Job still maintains his integrity, is the trial already happened or not?
And who did the trial against him?

NT:1383 dokimion means of testing; authenticity
(from Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament © 1990 by William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. All rights reserved.)

1 Peter 1:6,7
6 In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials,
7 so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.