Why Was Satan . . .

[Miles]

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. . . given power to tempt man, thus leading man into sin and eventually causing him to go to hell?


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Couldn't god have done it without Satan's help?


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[Capbook]

Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV

The verse is clear enough, Satan was trying to incite YHWH Jehovah destroy Job . God did not destroy Job as Satan wanted (see Job 42:11)

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Who is "me" there?

Already answered (see above)

Who brought all the evil?

Job 42:11
11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
KJV

[onewithhim]

Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV

The verse is clear enough, Satan was trying to incite YHWH Jehovah destroy Job . God did not destroy Job as Satan wanted (see Job 42:11)

To learn more please go to other posts related to ....

ANGELS , DEMONS and ... SATAN THE DEVIL

Who is "me" there?

Already answered (see above)

Who brought all the evil?

Job 42:11
11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
KJV

We know that Jehovah does not bring evil, the way we commonly understand it, onto people. (James 1:13: "When under trial, let no one say: 'I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.")

We say when we pray the Lord's Prayer: "lead us not into temptation." Do we really think when we say that that God will himself put us in harm's way? No, we just think that God will help us to avoid temptation, is that not true?

Now the verse that says that the LORD had brought evil upon someone could not mean that he himself caused evil to befall an individual (remember James 1:13?). So the view we should have is that the LORD let evil fall upon an individual. He allowed it. It was Satan who brought the evil upon Job and his house. (See Job 1:7-12; 2:2-7)

[Capbook]

Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity,although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV

The verse is clear enough, Satan was trying to incite YHWH Jehovah destroy Job . God did not destroy Job as Satan wanted (see Job 42:11)

To learn more please go to other posts related to ....

ANGELS , DEMONS and ... SATAN THE DEVIL

Who is "me" there?

Already answered (see above)

Who brought all the evil?

Job 42:11
11 Then came there unto him all his brethren, and all his sisters, and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him: every man also gave him a piece of money, and every one an earring of gold.
KJV

We know that Jehovah does not bring evil, the way we commonly understand it, onto people. (James 1:13: "When under trial, let no one say: 'I am being tried by God.' For with evil things God cannot be tried nor does he himself try anyone.")

We say when we pray the Lord's Prayer: "lead us not into temptation." Do we really think when we say that that God will himself put us in harm's way? No, we just think that God will help us to avoid temptation, is that not true?

Now the verse that says that the LORD had brought evil upon someone could not mean that he himself caused evil to befall an individual (remember James 1:13?). So the view we should have is that the LORD let evil fall upon an individual. He allowed it. It was Satan who brought the evil upon Job and his house. (See Job 1:7-12; 2:2-7)

How would God refined our faith? Is our faith genuine? Or just one trial like Eve we fail, but Job passed.
We may face trials to test the genuineness of our faith, more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire, be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
God work good for our salvation, thru trials and tribulations. (2Tim 3:12) Persecution comes to God's people in the last days.

1 Peter 1:6-8
6 In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials,
7 so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
ESV

Rom 8:28
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
KJV

2 Tim 3:12
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
KJV

[JehovahsWitness]

...Persecution comes to God's people in the last days.

This is true and God permits or allows it (just as he permitted his son to be killed). That does not mean however that God causes the evil things or that he uses evil unclean people or things to hurt those he loves.

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[Capbook]

...Persecution comes to God's people in the last days.

This is true and God permits or allows it (just as he permitted his son to be killed). That does not mean however that God causes the evil things or that he uses evil unclean people or things to hurt those he loves.

To learn more please go to other posts related to ....

GOD, THE DIVINE PERSONALITY and ...HUMAN SUFFERING

So, are you against this words of the true God? "Though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason"?
God test the genuineness of Job's faith, for which he maintains his integrity, Job passed the test.

Job 2:3
3 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason." (1Pet 1:6,7)
NIV
Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
KJV
1 Peter 1:6,7
6 In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials,
7 so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

[JehovahsWitness]

"Though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason"?

This passage in the book of Job has already been explained. Did you not see it?

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[Capbook]

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Do you believe that God allows trials and tribulation in our lives?

1 Peter 1:6,7
6 In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials,
7 so that the tested genuineness of your faith—more precious than gold that perishes though it is tested by fire—may be found to result in praise and glory and honor at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

[JehovahsWitness]

Do you believe that God allows trials and tribulation in our lives?

God allows them, there is no scripture that says he is the originator of any evil trials that would be Satan.

JAMES 1:13 NIV

When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;

[Capbook]

"Though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason"?

This passage in the book of Job has already been explained. Did you not see it?

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JAMES 1:13 King James Version (KJV)

Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

I believe you misunderstood the text. When Job still maintains his integrity, is the trial already happened or not?
And who did the trial against him?

Job 2:3
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.

Job 2:3
3 Then the Lord said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity, though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason."
NIV

[JehovahsWitness]

I believe you misunderstood the text. When Job still maintains his integrity, is the trial already happened or not?
And who did the trial against him?

Could it be that we are speaking at cross purposes here. There two different English meanings of the world "TRIAL"? To which are you referring in your question?