What do JWs know?

[2ndpillar2]

I just had two JWs come to my house. They said that they do not believe in the Trinity, yet they were quoting from a bible whose canon was produced by Athanasius in 367 A.D., the same guy who was the main proponent of the Trinity doctrine at Constantine's Council of Nicaea. They apparently did not know that Athanasius produced the canon they used, and that he proposed doctrine which is opposite of what they believe. Is this a one off, or is lack of historical context part of the JWs normal routine? They gave their quote of the day, Rev 21:4, without context, and didn't know that Rev 22:15 applied to the same Jerusalem, and that those "who practice lying" would not "enter". As soon as I told them, they turned and walked quickly away. The second time in around so many weeks, that JWs came, and quickly walked away when confronted with their inconsistencies.

[JehovahsWitness]

The words "The Son of God" are found in the Bible ....

That does not answer my question I asked about the expression "God the Son"

[marke]

The words "The Son of God" are found in the Bible ....

That does not answer my question I asked about the expression "God the Son"

You are looking for some reason to declare that the Son of God is not God in spite of the fact that the Bible tells us that the Son of God dwelt with Gid the Father in heaven since the beginning of time.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

[JehovahsWitness]

The words "The Son of God" are found in the Bible ....

That does not answer my question I asked about the expression "God the Son"

You are looking for some reason to declare that the Son of God is not God ...

I'm looking for you to answer the question asked. You evasion indicates to me you understand the significance of the question. So again, I ask you : Is the expression "God the Son" found in ANY translation of the holy bible?

[marke]

The words "The Son of God" are found in the Bible ....

That does not answer my question I asked about the expression "God the Son"

You are looking for some reason to declare that the Son of God is not God ...

I'm looking for you to answer the question asked. You evasion indicates to me you understand the significance of the question. So again, I ask you : Is the expression "God the Son" found in ANY translation of the holy bible?

No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.

[onewithhim]

There are other substitutes to take. Also, what are the risks of having a blood transfusion? There are many. Check that out. And, too, check out "bloodless medicine" or "bloodless surgery" and you can see what many doctors are saying.

Have you noticed that the Witnesses never talk about the number of lives that were saved by blood transfusions, especially in war-zone situations and in automobile accidents?

Lives would have been saved even if the patients took a substitute for blood. Even in war-zone situations and automobile accidents. Have you checked out "bloodless medicine"?

It might be with modern technology today, but how about where it was not yet available?
Many might have died before by refusing such life saving option.

No, a simple saline solution could have saved them. The main problem with injuries that supposedly need transfusions is that the veins might collapse. That is why transfusions are administered. Yet, a saline solution will prevent the veins from collapsing. There is no need for someone's blood to be injected into someone. It has been vigorously deemed necessary by the blood banks who are getting top dollar for their blood, and doctors go along with this pressure from the blood banks to give people this expensive fluid.

And why there are still records of JWs that died annually due to refusal of blood transfusion. (Link below)

It is estimated that about 1000 Jehovah’s Witnesses die annually due to refusal of blood transfusion (6). In Jehovah’s Witness patients, the question of the critical Hb level for transfusion to decrease mortality can be transformed to the critical Hb level to start medical management or to administer blood substitutes.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/P ... ubstitutes.

I don't know where you got your figures, but I doubt that so many JWs die when not accepting a blood transfusion. The bloodless medicine that hospitals supply is totally adequate to save a life. Doctors will say this. Have you looked up "bloodless medicine" on the web? It refers you to many hospitals that offer this, and the doctors agree that blood isn't necessary. I believe that if a JW dies after refusing blood he would've died even if he had allowed the transfusion. Sometimes a person is just too far gone for anything to help. Otherwise, a substitute is sufficient.

I had a serious operation a few years ago and I made it clear that I didn't want blood. The operation took 5 hours and no blood was administered. I thanked the surgeon afterwards for not using blood and he said, "I do it all the time." Doctors know that blood isn't necessary. They want to give blood for the money, due to the blood banks' pressure.

I got the figures of JWs that died due to refusal of blood transfusion from the link I've provided above.
You just click it.

I read most of it. It is not very clear as to what the risks of blood transfusions are. And they offer very small percentages of what people experience if they don't take blood. Where is the information about how patients fare when they take a substitute? I wish I could provide a link but I don't know how to do that. I ask you to kindly look up "bloodless medicine" on the web and read what many doctors are saying. I posted that I myself endured a 5-hour operation with no blood and the doctor said that he does it all the time. Before the operation no one said anything about the idea that I might die if I didn't take blood. They know it isn't necessary. If some push it, they are doing so from pressure from the blood banks.

You've read most of it? Did they have a numerical figure of those who suffered death due refusal to blood transfusion?
Yes, I have looked into bloodless medicine websites which comes late compare to the existing of your church.
Before that meds discovery, I believe your church members suffered proven by that link.

I doubt it. A simple saline solution is better than blood. We also take seriously the sentiment in Acts that says to "abstain from blood." (Acts 15:19,20,29) Even if we were to die, we know that we will have a resurrection into the new system---Paradise on Earth. But it is still amiss for them to not print how many people die from transfusions. It far surpasses those who supposedly die from refusing blood. Look up Ryan White, a boy who died because of a transfusion. That part of the story wasn't commented on hardly at all, but it is significant that he died because of a transfusion. It was a very well-known case.

[JehovahsWitness]

No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.

So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.

[marke]

No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.

So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.

The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

[JehovahsWitness]

No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.

So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.

The Bible ...

That doesn't answer my question. It's good to refer to the bible but you are using expressions that the bible NEVER uses. It's not a matter of understanding an expression when the expression isnt even there!

[marke]

No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.

So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.

The Bible ...

That doesn't answer my question. It's good to refer to the bible but you are using expressions that the bible NEVER uses. It's not a matter of understanding an expression when the expression isnt even there!

The fact that the Bible does not use the words "Jesus is God,' or "The Son of God is God" does not mean that Jesus is not God or that the Son of God is not God. The Bible does not specifically use the wording "God is eternal" but that does not mean God is not eternal.

[JehovahsWitness]

. The Bible does not specifically use the wording "God is eternal" but that does not mean God is not eternal.

GENESIS 21:33

And Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God. - Majority Standard Bible

But okay, give me q scripturre that says the personal name Jesus [Christ] and ALMIGHTY ; any order "Jesus the Almighy" , "Almighty Jesus" , "and Jesus said..."I'm Almighty" anything with those two specific words but in any order.