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What do JWs know?

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I just had two JWs come to my house. They said that they do not believe in the Trinity, yet they were quoting from a bible whose canon was produced by Athanasius in 367 A.D., the same guy who was the main proponent of the Trinity doctrine at Constantine's Council of Nicaea. They apparently did not know that Athanasius produced the canon they used, and that he proposed doctrine which is opposite of what they believe. Is this a one off, or is lack of historical context part of the JWs normal routine? They gave their quote of the day, Rev 21:4, without context, and didn't know that Rev 22:15 applied to the same Jerusalem, and that those "who practice lying" would not "enter". As soon as I told them, they turned and walked quickly away. The second time in around so many weeks, that JWs came, and quickly walked away when confronted with their inconsistencies.

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marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:27 am


The words "The Son of God" are found in the Bible ....
That does not answer my question I asked about the expression "God the Son"
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:32 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:27 am


The words "The Son of God" are found in the Bible ....
That does not answer my question I asked about the expression "God the Son"
You are looking for some reason to declare that the Son of God is not God in spite of the fact that the Bible tells us that the Son of God dwelt with Gid the Father in heaven since the beginning of time.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

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marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:13 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:32 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:27 am


The words "The Son of God" are found in the Bible ....
That does not answer my question I asked about the expression "God the Son"
You are looking for some reason to declare that the Son of God is not God ...
I'm looking for you to answer the question asked. You evasion indicates to me you understand the significance of the question. So again, I ask you : Is the expression "God the Son" found in ANY translation of the holy bible?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:25 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:13 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:32 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 1:27 am


The words "The Son of God" are found in the Bible ....
That does not answer my question I asked about the expression "God the Son"
You are looking for some reason to declare that the Son of God is not God ...
I'm looking for you to answer the question asked. You evasion indicates to me you understand the significance of the question. So again, I ask you : Is the expression "God the Son" found in ANY translation of the holy bible?
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.

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marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

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marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible ...
That doesn't answer my question. It's good to refer to the bible but you are using expressions that the bible NEVER uses. It's not a matter of understanding an expression when the expression isnt even there!
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 5:07 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible ...
That doesn't answer my question. It's good to refer to the bible but you are using expressions that the bible NEVER uses. It's not a matter of understanding an expression when the expression isnt even there!
The fact that the Bible does not use the words "Jesus is God,' or "The Son of God is God" does not mean that Jesus is not God or that the Son of God is not God. The Bible does not specifically use the wording "God is eternal" but that does not mean God is not eternal.

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marke wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 2:02 am. The Bible does not specifically use the wording "God is eternal" but that does not mean God is not eternal.
GENESIS 21:33

And Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God. - Majority Standard Bible

But okay, give me q scripturre that says the personal name Jesus [Christ] and ALMIGHTY ; any order "Jesus the Almighy" , "Almighty Jesus" , "and Jesus said..."I'm Almighty" anything with those two specific words but in any order.
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