"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Fathers who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[marke]

If dozens of investigations and lawsuits were unable to find any evidence of widespread voter fraud, one must conclude that either the federal judiciary (including many judges appointed by Donald Trump) is completely involved in some grand conspiracy, or there wasn't an widespread voter fraud.

Or a particular form of cheating may happen a lot but it's hard to catch it. Given the increase in mail-in voting, fraud can be done just as simple as throwing the ballots in the trash. Unsuspecting voters who don't follow up on their ballot status, esp. those in poorer communities, are likely the easiest victims of this.

Check this story where ballots were thrown away and pay attention to the way it was discovered.. pretty much by chance... someone just looking through the trash (and we know people don't always look at the trash.. it's not standard protocol so then that can easily go uncaught)...
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tempora ... d=73251533

Marke: At least one Dominion machine was examined while thousands of Dominion machines were not allowed to be thoroughly examined by non-biased forensics experts because of Dominion's priprietary rights. It was a Dominion official who was caught on undercover film bragging that Dominion would make sure Trump did not win in 2020. The one Dominion machine that a court ordered Dominion to allow to be examined had flipped thousands of votes from Trump to Biden on election night 2020.

These stories were peddled around, but when Trump-appointed judges asked to see the evidence, the lawyers failed to show any. If you have such evidence it's not too late to get it to the Trump administration; they would be able to indict people over that. What do you have?

It might be true in red states that ballots could be secretly trashed, but I remain unconvinced that there was a systematic attempt to disenfranchise poor or minority voters by such methods. It's easier to just set up difficult voter identification processes likely to prevent such people from voting. The fact that most attempts to suppress voting were done that way suggests that it's safer and more effective.

Marke: There is a mountain of unrefuted evidence of 2020 voting fraud that the former democrat AG refused to examine for obvious political reasons. My hope and prayer is that republicans will take meaningful steps before the next election to enact meaningful obstructions to illegal voting, voting machine corruption, mail-in voting fraud, dead people voting, multiple single voter voting, false registrations, massively bloated voting registries, and so forth.

[The Barbarian]

At least one Dominion machine was examined while thousands of Dominion machines were not allowed to be thoroughly examined by non-biased forensics experts because of Dominion's priprietary rights. It was a Dominion official who was caught on undercover film bragging that Dominion would make sure Trump did not win in 2020. The one Dominion machine that a court ordered Dominion to allow to be examined had flipped thousands of votes from Trump to Biden on election night 2020.[/b]

These stories were peddled around, but when Trump-appointed judges asked to see the evidence, the lawyers failed to show any. If you have such evidence it's not too late to get it to the Trump administration; they would be able to indict people over that. What do you have?

It might be true in red states that ballots could be secretly trashed, but I remain unconvinced that there was a systematic attempt to disenfranchise poor or minority voters by such methods. It's easier to just set up difficult voter identification processes likely to prevent such people from voting. The fact that most attempts to suppress voting were done that way suggests that it's safer and more effective.

Marke: There is a mountain of unrefuted evidence of 2020 voting fraud that the former democrat AG refused to examine for obvious political reasons.

Trump's own appointed AG admitted there was no evidence. Actually....

'Bullshit', 'idiotic': Barr bluntly dismisses claims of election fraud
In a video testimony aired on Monday (June 13) by the committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, former Attorney General William Barr described the mounting claims of voter fraud after the 2020 presidential election as "completely bogus" and said he told then-President Donald Trump that they were doing "a great disservice to the country."
https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idO ... 062022RP1/

My hope and prayer is that republicans will take meaningful steps before the next election to enact meaningful obstructions to illegal voting, voting machine corruption, mail-in voting fraud, dead people voting, multiple single voter voting, false registrations, massively bloated voting registries, and so forth.

More than a year after President Joe Biden won the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump and his allies still insist without evidence that widespread voter fraud led to a stolen election. A new reporting project from the Associated Press shows that is false, finding fewer than 475 potential instances out of more than 25 million votes cast.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhau ... e-lives-on

What fraud there was, seems to be pretty much on one side of the fence. Such attempts are rather easy to catch, as Trump and his associates found out, to their dismay:

MADISON, Wis. (AP) A supporter of former President Donald Trump who said authorities should root out voter fraud is among five people who were charged Thursday with election fraud by a Republican district attorney whos running for Wisconsin attorney general.

All five voters, including a homeless person, improperly listed a post office box number at a UPS store as their address, rather than a residential address as is required under Wisconsin law, said Fond du Lac County District Attorney Eric Toney.

That brings the number of people charged with election fraud during the 2020 presidential election in Wisconsin to 10, including seven in Fond du Lac County. Three of the five people charged cast ballots in the 2020 election.
https://apnews.com/article/business-don ... 824c4e3bb3

PHOENIX (AP) A Republican activist who signed a document falsely claiming Donald Trump had won Arizona in 2020 became the first person to be convicted in the states fake elector case.

Loraine Pellegrino, a past president of the group Ahwatukee Republican Women, has pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of filing a false document, Arizona Attorney Generals Office spokesperson Richie Taylor said Tuesday, declining to comment further. Records documenting her guilty plea havent yet been posted by the court. Still, court records show Pellegrino was sentenced to unsupervised probation. Before the plea, she faced nine felony charges.

Seventeen other people had been charged in the case, including 10 other Republicans who had signed a certificate saying they were "duly elected and qualified" electors and claimed Trump had carried Arizona in the 2020 election.
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake ... c19947ccb0

By June 2024, dozens of Republican state officials and Trump associates had been indicted in four states for their alleged involvement. The federal Smith special counsel investigation investigated Trump's role in the events. According to testimony Trump was aware of the fake electors scheme, and knew that Eastman's plan for Pence to obstruct the certification of electoral votes was a violation of the Electoral Count Act.[2][3]

Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, a "central figure" in the plot, coordinated the scheme across the seven states.[4][5] In a conference call on January 2, 2021, Trump, Eastman, and Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to persuade them to convene special legislative sessions to replace legitimate Biden electors with fake Trump electors based on unfounded allegations of election fraud.[6] Trump pressured the Justice Department to falsely announce it had found election fraud, and he attempted to install a new acting attorney general who had drafted a letter falsely asserting such election fraud had been found, in an attempt to persuade the Georgia legislature to convene and reconsider its Biden electoral votes.[7]

Trump and Eastman asked Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel to enlist the committee's assistance in gathering fake "contingent" electors.[2] A senator's chief of staff tried to pass a list of fraudulent electors to Pence minutes before the vice president was to certify the election.[8] The scheme was investigated by the January 6 committee and is being investigated by the Justice Department. The January 6 committee's final report identified lawyer Kenneth Chesebro as the plot's original architect.[7] On October 20, 2023, Chesebro pleaded guilty in the state of Georgia to conspiring to file a false document and was sentenced to five years of probation.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

You should ask yourself why there's no similar examples of election fraud conspiracies by democrats.

[marke]

At least one Dominion machine was examined while thousands of Dominion machines were not allowed to be thoroughly examined by non-biased forensics experts because of Dominion's priprietary rights. It was a Dominion official who was caught on undercover film bragging that Dominion would make sure Trump did not win in 2020. The one Dominion machine that a court ordered Dominion to allow to be examined had flipped thousands of votes from Trump to Biden on election night 2020.[/b]

These stories were peddled around, but when Trump-appointed judges asked to see the evidence, the lawyers failed to show any. If you have such evidence it's not too late to get it to the Trump administration; they would be able to indict people over that. What do you have?

It might be true in red states that ballots could be secretly trashed, but I remain unconvinced that there was a systematic attempt to disenfranchise poor or minority voters by such methods. It's easier to just set up difficult voter identification processes likely to prevent such people from voting. The fact that most attempts to suppress voting were done that way suggests that it's safer and more effective.

Marke: There is a mountain of unrefuted evidence of 2020 voting fraud that the former democrat AG refused to examine for obvious political reasons.

Trump's own appointed AG admitted there was no evidence. Actually....

'Bullshit', 'idiotic': Barr bluntly dismisses claims of election fraud
In a video testimony aired on Monday (June 13) by the committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol, former Attorney General William Barr described the mounting claims of voter fraud after the 2020 presidential election as "completely bogus" and said he told then-President Donald Trump that they were doing "a great disservice to the country."
https://www.reuters.com/video/watch/idO ... 062022RP1/

My hope and prayer is that republicans will take meaningful steps before the next election to enact meaningful obstructions to illegal voting, voting machine corruption, mail-in voting fraud, dead people voting, multiple single voter voting, false registrations, massively bloated voting registries, and so forth.

More than a year after President Joe Biden won the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump and his allies still insist without evidence that widespread voter fraud led to a stolen election. A new reporting project from the Associated Press shows that is false, finding fewer than 475 potential instances out of more than 25 million votes cast.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhau ... e-lives-on

What fraud there was, seems to be pretty much on one side of the fence. Such attempts are rather easy to catch, as Trump and his associates found out, to their dismay:

MADISON, Wis. (AP) A supporter of former President Donald Trump who said authorities should root out voter fraud is among five people who were charged Thursday with election fraud by a Republican district attorney whos running for Wisconsin attorney general.

All five voters, including a homeless person, improperly listed a post office box number at a UPS store as their address, rather than a residential address as is required under Wisconsin law, said Fond du Lac County District Attorney Eric Toney.

That brings the number of people charged with election fraud during the 2020 presidential election in Wisconsin to 10, including seven in Fond du Lac County. Three of the five people charged cast ballots in the 2020 election.
https://apnews.com/article/business-don ... 824c4e3bb3

PHOENIX (AP) A Republican activist who signed a document falsely claiming Donald Trump had won Arizona in 2020 became the first person to be convicted in the states fake elector case.

Loraine Pellegrino, a past president of the group Ahwatukee Republican Women, has pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of filing a false document, Arizona Attorney Generals Office spokesperson Richie Taylor said Tuesday, declining to comment further. Records documenting her guilty plea havent yet been posted by the court. Still, court records show Pellegrino was sentenced to unsupervised probation. Before the plea, she faced nine felony charges.

Seventeen other people had been charged in the case, including 10 other Republicans who had signed a certificate saying they were "duly elected and qualified" electors and claimed Trump had carried Arizona in the 2020 election.
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake ... c19947ccb0

By June 2024, dozens of Republican state officials and Trump associates had been indicted in four states for their alleged involvement. The federal Smith special counsel investigation investigated Trump's role in the events. According to testimony Trump was aware of the fake electors scheme, and knew that Eastman's plan for Pence to obstruct the certification of electoral votes was a violation of the Electoral Count Act.[2][3]

Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, a "central figure" in the plot, coordinated the scheme across the seven states.[4][5] In a conference call on January 2, 2021, Trump, Eastman, and Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to persuade them to convene special legislative sessions to replace legitimate Biden electors with fake Trump electors based on unfounded allegations of election fraud.[6] Trump pressured the Justice Department to falsely announce it had found election fraud, and he attempted to install a new acting attorney general who had drafted a letter falsely asserting such election fraud had been found, in an attempt to persuade the Georgia legislature to convene and reconsider its Biden electoral votes.[7]

Trump and Eastman asked Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel to enlist the committee's assistance in gathering fake "contingent" electors.[2] A senator's chief of staff tried to pass a list of fraudulent electors to Pence minutes before the vice president was to certify the election.[8] The scheme was investigated by the January 6 committee and is being investigated by the Justice Department. The January 6 committee's final report identified lawyer Kenneth Chesebro as the plot's original architect.[7] On October 20, 2023, Chesebro pleaded guilty in the state of Georgia to conspiring to file a false document and was sentenced to five years of probation.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

You should ask yourself why there's no similar examples of election fraud conspiracies by democrats.

Marke: Democrats filed hundreds of false charges against Trump and his supporters but did not disprove a single incident of the many unrefuted evidences of 2020 voting fraud.

[The Barbarian]

More than a year after President Joe Biden won the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump and his allies still insist without evidence that widespread voter fraud led to a stolen election. A new reporting project from the Associated Press shows that is false, finding fewer than 475 potential instances out of more than 25 million votes cast.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhau ... e-lives-on

What fraud there was, seems to be pretty much on one side of the fence. Such attempts are rather easy to catch, as Trump and his associates found out, to their dismay:

MADISON, Wis. (AP) A supporter of former President Donald Trump who said authorities should root out voter fraud is among five people who were charged Thursday with election fraud by a Republican district attorney whos running for Wisconsin attorney general.

All five voters, including a homeless person, improperly listed a post office box number at a UPS store as their address, rather than a residential address as is required under Wisconsin law, said Fond du Lac County District Attorney Eric Toney.

That brings the number of people charged with election fraud during the 2020 presidential election in Wisconsin to 10, including seven in Fond du Lac County. Three of the five people charged cast ballots in the 2020 election.
https://apnews.com/article/business-don ... 824c4e3bb3

PHOENIX (AP) A Republican activist who signed a document falsely claiming Donald Trump had won Arizona in 2020 became the first person to be convicted in the states fake elector case.

Loraine Pellegrino, a past president of the group Ahwatukee Republican Women, has pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of filing a false document, Arizona Attorney Generals Office spokesperson Richie Taylor said Tuesday, declining to comment further. Records documenting her guilty plea havent yet been posted by the court. Still, court records show Pellegrino was sentenced to unsupervised probation. Before the plea, she faced nine felony charges.

Seventeen other people had been charged in the case, including 10 other Republicans who had signed a certificate saying they were "duly elected and qualified" electors and claimed Trump had carried Arizona in the 2020 election.
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake ... c19947ccb0

By June 2024, dozens of Republican state officials and Trump associates had been indicted in four states for their alleged involvement. The federal Smith special counsel investigation investigated Trump's role in the events. According to testimony Trump was aware of the fake electors scheme, and knew that Eastman's plan for Pence to obstruct the certification of electoral votes was a violation of the Electoral Count Act.[2][3]

Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, a "central figure" in the plot, coordinated the scheme across the seven states.[4][5] In a conference call on January 2, 2021, Trump, Eastman, and Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to persuade them to convene special legislative sessions to replace legitimate Biden electors with fake Trump electors based on unfounded allegations of election fraud.[6] Trump pressured the Justice Department to falsely announce it had found election fraud, and he attempted to install a new acting attorney general who had drafted a letter falsely asserting such election fraud had been found, in an attempt to persuade the Georgia legislature to convene and reconsider its Biden electoral votes.[7]

Trump and Eastman asked Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel to enlist the committee's assistance in gathering fake "contingent" electors.[2] A senator's chief of staff tried to pass a list of fraudulent electors to Pence minutes before the vice president was to certify the election.[8] The scheme was investigated by the January 6 committee and is being investigated by the Justice Department. The January 6 committee's final report identified lawyer Kenneth Chesebro as the plot's original architect.[7] On October 20, 2023, Chesebro pleaded guilty in the state of Georgia to conspiring to file a false document and was sentenced to five years of probation.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

You should ask yourself why there's no similar examples of election fraud conspiracies by democrats.

Democrats filed hundreds of false charges against Trump and his supporters but did not disprove a single incident of the many unrefuted evidences of 2020 voting fraud.

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #99]

EXCLUSIVE: Coomer Deposition Released! Verifies Antifa Facebook Posts, Extreme Left Bias | The Gateway Pundit | by Ben Wetmore 10-12-21
EXCLUSIVE: Coomer Deposition Released! Verifies Antifa Facebook Posts, Extreme Left Bias
By Ben Wetmore Oct. 12, 2021 8:10 am4394 Comments

Are we going through this again?

https://www.reuters.com/business/media- ... 024-04-25/

https://www.reuters.com/legal/far-right ... 024-07-25/

https://coloradonewsline.com/briefs/col ... ann-trial/

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #99]

Leftists do not care about God, truth, or facts.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #88]

Trump won and I thank God he is making serious efforts to bring common sense and honesty back to our government.

Musk demanded that federal employees submit details of what they had done over a week by email. After pushback pointing out that having federal employees engaged in sentitive security work send details of that work by email would pose a danger to national security, Musk repeated his demand.

DOGE fired air traffic controllers and after aviation disasters started occurring in higher numbers, Musk started begging retired ATCs to return to work----when federal law requires ATCs to retire at age 56 due to the complexity of the job.

By what stretch of the imagination is that common sense?

[marke]

More than a year after President Joe Biden won the 2020 election, former President Donald Trump and his allies still insist without evidence that widespread voter fraud led to a stolen election. A new reporting project from the Associated Press shows that is false, finding fewer than 475 potential instances out of more than 25 million votes cast.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/exhau ... e-lives-on

What fraud there was, seems to be pretty much on one side of the fence. Such attempts are rather easy to catch, as Trump and his associates found out, to their dismay:

MADISON, Wis. (AP) A supporter of former President Donald Trump who said authorities should root out voter fraud is among five people who were charged Thursday with election fraud by a Republican district attorney whos running for Wisconsin attorney general.

All five voters, including a homeless person, improperly listed a post office box number at a UPS store as their address, rather than a residential address as is required under Wisconsin law, said Fond du Lac County District Attorney Eric Toney.

That brings the number of people charged with election fraud during the 2020 presidential election in Wisconsin to 10, including seven in Fond du Lac County. Three of the five people charged cast ballots in the 2020 election.
https://apnews.com/article/business-don ... 824c4e3bb3

PHOENIX (AP) A Republican activist who signed a document falsely claiming Donald Trump had won Arizona in 2020 became the first person to be convicted in the states fake elector case.

Loraine Pellegrino, a past president of the group Ahwatukee Republican Women, has pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of filing a false document, Arizona Attorney Generals Office spokesperson Richie Taylor said Tuesday, declining to comment further. Records documenting her guilty plea havent yet been posted by the court. Still, court records show Pellegrino was sentenced to unsupervised probation. Before the plea, she faced nine felony charges.

Seventeen other people had been charged in the case, including 10 other Republicans who had signed a certificate saying they were "duly elected and qualified" electors and claimed Trump had carried Arizona in the 2020 election.
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-fake ... c19947ccb0

By June 2024, dozens of Republican state officials and Trump associates had been indicted in four states for their alleged involvement. The federal Smith special counsel investigation investigated Trump's role in the events. According to testimony Trump was aware of the fake electors scheme, and knew that Eastman's plan for Pence to obstruct the certification of electoral votes was a violation of the Electoral Count Act.[2][3]

Trump's personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, a "central figure" in the plot, coordinated the scheme across the seven states.[4][5] In a conference call on January 2, 2021, Trump, Eastman, and Giuliani spoke to some 300 Republican state legislators in an effort to persuade them to convene special legislative sessions to replace legitimate Biden electors with fake Trump electors based on unfounded allegations of election fraud.[6] Trump pressured the Justice Department to falsely announce it had found election fraud, and he attempted to install a new acting attorney general who had drafted a letter falsely asserting such election fraud had been found, in an attempt to persuade the Georgia legislature to convene and reconsider its Biden electoral votes.[7]

Trump and Eastman asked Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel to enlist the committee's assistance in gathering fake "contingent" electors.[2] A senator's chief of staff tried to pass a list of fraudulent electors to Pence minutes before the vice president was to certify the election.[8] The scheme was investigated by the January 6 committee and is being investigated by the Justice Department. The January 6 committee's final report identified lawyer Kenneth Chesebro as the plot's original architect.[7] On October 20, 2023, Chesebro pleaded guilty in the state of Georgia to conspiring to file a false document and was sentenced to five years of probation.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

You should ask yourself why there's no similar examples of election fraud conspiracies by democrats.

Democrats filed hundreds of false charges against Trump and his supporters but did not disprove a single incident of the many unrefuted evidences of 2020 voting fraud.

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

Marke: Republicans committing voting fraud whether they got caught or not does nothing to disprove the massive evidence of 2020 voting fraud.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #99]

EXCLUSIVE: Coomer Deposition Released! Verifies Antifa Facebook Posts, Extreme Left Bias | The Gateway Pundit | by Ben Wetmore 10-12-21
EXCLUSIVE: Coomer Deposition Released! Verifies Antifa Facebook Posts, Extreme Left Bias
By Ben Wetmore Oct. 12, 2021 8:10 am4394 Comments

Are we going through this again?

https://www.reuters.com/business/media- ... 024-04-25/

Marke: Gateway pundit filed for bankruptcy.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/far-right ... 024-07-25/

Marke: Gateway Pundit is kicked out of bankruptcy.

https://coloradonewsline.com/briefs/col ... ann-trial/

Marke: Friendly judge allows Dominion lawsuit to go forward.

Marke: What nobody has yet done to this day is prove Eric Coomer did not personally examine, program, reprogram, or alter Dominion voting machine instructions all across the US in 2020. There is clear evidence he had personal involvement with technical details of Dominion voting machines in Michigan, one of which was investigated and discovered to have flipped hundreds of thousands of votes from Trump to Biden.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #99]

Leftists do not care about God, truth, or facts.

Marke: Democratws continue to lie about what the DOGE cuts entail, but that is to be expected from democrats who have ridden lies to election victories for decades. The bozo Texas democrat thinks the job of republicans is to spend tax dollars the Treasury cannot afford on the homeless and hungry while turning a blind eye to democrats laundering government money into their own personal bank accounts by the billions so they can buy expensive homes and goods for themselves with money that will never go to help the poor.