"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Fathers who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[marke]

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

Republicans committing voting fraud whether they got caught or not does nothing to disprove the massive evidence of 2020 voting fraud.

And yet federal judges, including Trump appointees, tossed out dozens of lawsuits alleging voter fraud, citing lack of evidence. That's the reality.

Regardless of what voter fraud cases got tossed and for what reason there still remain mountains of evidence of unrefuted 2020 voter fraud.

You misspelled "unproven." And since no one can produce those mountains of evidence, looks like it's going to remain unproven. However, lots of the claims have been debunked, by collected evidence, or by confessions of the perps who made the false claims:

ATLANTA (AP) Rudy Giuliani is not disputing that he made public comments about two Georgia election workers that were false, but contends his words are constitutionally protected statements, according to a court filing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/r ... i-acknowledges-that-he-made-false-statements-about-georgia-election-workers

There's more. Want to see more? BTW, I think we'd all like to see some of that "mountain of evidence." What do you have?

Marke: The unrefuted evidence of highly likely fraud is massive whether Americans know that or want to believe that or not. Here is just one of hundreds of examples never adequately investigated by those claiming they want to expose and root out fraud:

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/org ... ff_id=1262
* Fraud & the 2020 Presidential Election
Image Copyright : Source of Image: http://www.senatoroberweis.com/News/153 ... ws-detail/
The Implausibility of Trumps Loss

In municipalities in the Milwaukee County area, 53,291 cell phones were pinpointed at ballot drop boxes three or more times during the 10/20 11/3 window. Within that two-week window, 107 unique devices made (1) 20 or more visits to drop boxes (averaging 26 visits each, some as many as 10-15 per day) and (2) multiple visits to non-governmental organizations ("NGOs") involved in get-out-the-vote efforts (averaging 5 NGO visits each). Those 107 "20X" devices together visited drop boxes a total of 2,824 times during the window, with a majority of visits occurring after 8:00 pm, past posted business hours at the government or other locations where the drop boxes were located.

So some people were frequenting the general area (the best technology can only get down to a few meters resolution). This was repeatedly debunked in lawsuits when the Trump people couldn't show any relationship between people driving by, walking on the other side of the street, etc. and ballot boxes. The story fell apart when investigators actually looked at the claims:

FACT FOCUS: Gaping holes in the claim of 2K ballot mules
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... 6dac406762

On the other hand, real election fraud cases, such as the fake elector scams, were easily exposed and prosecuted. One has to conclude that either republicans are a lot dumber than democrats, or that the election fraud attempts were overwhelminingly perpetrated by republicans.

I'm pretty sure it's the latter, unless you can show some data indicating otherwise.

Marke: Democrats claim multiple trips to the same drop box by the same person on the same day does not mean the person was putting multiple ballots in the box. Nonsense. But so what? If the election officials never verified the validity of the addresses, the number of times voters may have voted in the same election, or whether the voters were even allowed to vote in the election democrats cannot prove there was no fraud.

That's the point. The data doesn't show people making multiple trips to the same drop box. They merely show that some people passed within several meters of the drop box in the same day. From that, they took a huge leap of faith and announced it proved that someone was stuffing the drop box. Given that no such interference was ever documented by looking at the ballots therein, it's pretty foolish to invent such a claim. But when one has orders to make the story work, one does what one can with what there is, I suppose.

The way it works is that one has to prove fraud to make it stick. That's why the perps involved in the fake elector frauds are going to jail, but the guys who happened to pass within a few meters of a drop box, are not.

Marke: Given the evidence it is clear democrats cannot prove these people were not dumping multiple ballots into the same drop boxes like the videos seem to indicate.

BREAKING: Wisconsin Supreme Court rules absentee voter drop boxes are illegal | Sara A. Carter (saraacarter.com)
Wisconsins Supreme Court ruled Friday that absentee voter drop boxes are illegal under the states constitution. The court upheld Waukesha County Circuit Court Judge Michael Bohrens ruling from January. According to the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism, there were 500 ballot drop boxes that were widely used in Wisconsin during the 2020 election.
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https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/org ... ff_id=1262

John Doe described a network of non-governmental organizations ("NGO"s) that worked together to facilitate a ballot trafficking scheme in Georgia. John Doe claimed to have been one of many individuals paid to collect and deliver absentee ballots during the early voting periods of the November 2020 General Election and the January 2021 Runoff Election.
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Drop boxes have become key to election conspiracy theories. Two Democrats just fueled those claims (msn.com) 10-7-23

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) A woman approaches a drop box in the dark with what appears to be handfuls of ballots. At a different drop box, someone else is seen making multiple trips to insert ballots. At yet another, the same car stops on at least three separate occasions, with different people stepping out and heading to the box.
Its not a trailer for the latest conspiracy movie about rigged elections. Instead, the video footage has become central to a real-world controversy over potential fraud involving ballot drop boxes, a favorite target of right-wing conspiracy theorists since former President Donald Trumps loss in the 2020 election.
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https://www.gop.com/press-release/rnc-s ... e-footage/ 10-16-24
RNC SUES DETROIT FOR DELETING DROPBOX SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE
OCT 16, 2024

WASHINGTON  Today, the RNC sued the City of Detroit Department of Elections for deleting drop box surveillance footage after we had requested it violating the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) and raising serious election integrity alarms.
RNC Chairman Michael Whatley stated: "Deleting drop box surveillance footage while there is a pending FOIA request for it is an assault on transparency. This breach of trust is exactly what reduces confidence in our elections. We will hold Detroit accountable, as this secrecy has no place in a fair and secure election -- Michiganders deserve far better."
Background:  
On August 20, 2024, we submitted a FOIA request for drop box video surveillance footage after being alerted to a potential election integrity concern during the primary election. We requested the footage from August 7th and 8th to verify the situation.
Detroit immediately acknowledged our request on August 21st and asked for an extension to produce the footage. Then on September 16th, we received a response, letting us know that the footage was "automatically" deleted after 30 days.
Deleting footage that is the subject of a pending FOIA requestsubmitted more than two weeks before the footage was deletedis a clear violation of FOIA. Detroit had a clear legal obligation to preserve and provide the footage, which they violated.
We are suing to hold the city accountable for its failure to maintain drop box footage while FOIA requests are pending and to ensure this does not happen for the general election.
President Trumps election integrity operation is combating these continuous acts of election interference. We are dedicated to securing a fair and transparent election.

[The Barbarian]

Bottom line? Law enforcement people have quickly identified attempts at systematic voting fraud in the last few elections. But all of the proven ones have been by... republicans.

Yes, we can prove that republicans made systemic attempts to commit voter frauds, and we can't always prove democrats were innocent. This is why in American justice, the state has to prove guilt and citizens don't have to prove innocence. Trump and Vance are working on that, but even a republican congress isn't likely to let them.

[oldbadger]

What are we to make of this?

Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

Christians who stop the flow of aid and support for national welfare and medical services are just not true followers of Jesus.

[The Barbarian]

Let's examine the testimony of Christians like Obama, Joe Biden, and Hillary Clinton. Which rich liberal has ever invited the poor into their homes to share all things in common? Modern lefties don't believe the stuff they falsely claim conservative Christians are in rebellion against God over.

"We're not wrong for rejecting God's word; everyone does it, so it's O.K."

No, I don't think so.

[marke]

Bottom line? Law enforcement people have quickly identified attempts at systematic voting fraud in the last few elections. But all of the proven ones have been by... republicans.

Yes, we can prove that republicans made systemic attempts to commit voter frauds, and we can't always prove democrats were innocent. This is why in American justice, the state has to prove guilt and citizens don't have to prove innocence. Trump and Vance are working on that, but even a republican congress isn't likely to let them.

Marke: Leftists and democrats have been successful at preventing serious investigations into massive voter fraud but I suspect that will change now that the new sheriff is in town. There is no reason George Soros' boys at Dominion should be allowed to prevent investigators from examining their voting machines immediately following an election with serious abnormalities.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #135]

Leftists and democrats have been successful at preventing serious investigations into massive voter fraud but I suspect that will change now that the new sheriff is in town. There is no reason George Soros' boys at Dominion should be allowed to prevent investigators from examining their voting machines immediately following an election with serious abnormalities.

What "preventing" does anyone have to do when a losing candidate's own attorney general concedes that massive election fraud rumors are hogwash [using even stronger language]?

Isn't taking defeat like a man supposed to be a conservative virtue?

[The Barbarian]

Marke: Leftists and democrats have been successful at preventing serious investigations into massive voter fraud but I suspect that will change now that the new sheriff is in town. There is no reason George Soros' boys at Dominion should be allowed to prevent investigators from examining their voting machines immediately following an election with serious abnormalities.

There's quite a number of people caught engaging in voter fraud, including those indicted convicted, and/or pleading guilty. Yes, the great majority of them are republicans for reasons we've already discussed, but not all of them. So your assumption is demonstrably wrong. Since Fox News agreed to pay Dominion $787 million for falsely accusing them of fraud, that issue is now settled.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #135]

Leftists and democrats have been successful at preventing serious investigations into massive voter fraud but I suspect that will change now that the new sheriff is in town. There is no reason George Soros' boys at Dominion should be allowed to prevent investigators from examining their voting machines immediately following an election with serious abnormalities.

What "preventing" does anyone have to do when a losing candidate's own attorney general concedes that massive election fraud rumors are hogwash [using even stronger language]?

Isn't taking defeat like a man supposed to be a conservative virtue?

Marke: A thusand government officials from both sides of the aisle can claim no fraud occurred but their opinions are worthless as long as we never got to closely examine thousands of voting machines under democrat control and as long as we were denied access to immigration and voter registries to see how many illegals may have voted, and so forth.

[marke]

Marke: Leftists and democrats have been successful at preventing serious investigations into massive voter fraud but I suspect that will change now that the new sheriff is in town. There is no reason George Soros' boys at Dominion should be allowed to prevent investigators from examining their voting machines immediately following an election with serious abnormalities.

There's quite a number of people caught engaging in voter fraud, including those indicted convicted, and/or pleading guilty. Yes, the great majority of them are republicans for reasons we've already discussed, but not all of them. So your assumption is demonstrably wrong. Since Fox News agreed to pay Dominion $787 million for falsely accusing them of fraud, that issue is now settled.

Marke: The weaponized DOJ under Biden refused to look for fraud except for where republicans were accused. Several republican officials were accused of fraud for simply doing their jobs as election officials and taking the initiative to closely examine voting records and voting machines democrats declared were not allowed to be examined.

[The Barbarian]

The weaponized DOJ under Biden refused to look for fraud except for where republicans were accused.

Well, let's take a look...
https://www.citizensforethics.org/repor ... hey-stand/

Republican officials indicted many of those criminals. So your assumption is wrong.

Some of them freely admitted their parts in the voter fraud. C'mon.