"Yes, but that doesn't work anymore. That's weak."

[Athetotheist]

What are we to make of this?




Do they not realize that they're making Jesus out to be a liar?

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
(Matthew 24:35)

"He that loveth Me not, keepeth not My sayings. And the Word which you hear is not Mine, but the Fathers who sent Me."
(John 14:24)

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #109]

What nobody has yet done to this day is prove Eric Coomer did not personally examine, program, reprogram, or alter Dominion voting machine instructions all across the US in 2020.

The burden of proof is on the accusers.

Marke: I know what I heard and read that Coomer said. I know that he played a major role in the preparation of Dominion voting machines in multiple states prior to the 2020 election. And I know Democrats, leftist election officials and Dominion officers blocked investigations into Dominion machines by the hundreds just after the elkection. What else do we need to know in order to conclude that some very prominent players in the 2020 election were doing a great deal to hide potential voting fraud in favor of Biden.

There is clear evidence he had personal involvement with technical details of Dominion voting machines in Michigan, one of which was investigated and discovered to have flipped hundreds of thousands of votes from Trump to Biden.

"Given the near-exact match of the hand recount to the machine counts from precincts around the state using different machine types, it seems highly improbable that machines flipped votes in Michigan."
https://gophouse.org/posts/rep-berman-r ... hine-fraud

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #112]

Are we to assume that democrats like Bernie and Obama sinned against God by raking in tens of millions of dollars from their political connections and buying multiple million-dollar homes while giving little or nothing to the poor?

"Tu quoque is a Latin phrase that translates to "you too" and is used as a noun to discredit an opponent's argument. It's a type of ad hominem attack that involves accusing the accuser of doing or being what they criticize in others. The goal is to make the opponent appear hypocritical by attacking their actions and behavior as inconsistent with their argument."
---Wikipedia

Marke: Unlike democrats think God instructs them to tell me, God has not told me to tell them they are not honoring His admonition to give to the poor by keeping all their wealth to themselves.

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #88]

Trump won and I thank God he is making serious efforts to bring common sense and honesty back to our government.

Musk demanded that federal employees submit details of what they had done over a week by email. After pushback pointing out that having federal employees engaged in sentitive security work send details of that work by email would pose a danger to national security, Musk repeated his demand.

DOGE fired air traffic controllers and after aviation disasters started occurring in higher numbers, Musk started begging retired ATCs to return to work----when federal law requires ATCs to retire at age 56 due to the complexity of the job.

By what stretch of the imagination is that common sense?

Marke: Democrats and non-essential government workers are scared stiff the DOGE investigators are going to cut them from the government gravy train once the investigators find out how much time and money they wasted or how many billions of dollars were laundered through fake foundations into the personal bank accounts of leading democrat politicians and their supporters.

How does this unsubstantiated claim answer the question?

Marke: Did Trump fire large numbers of experienced air traffic controllers? Absolutely not.

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Less than 400 were let go, and they were all probationary, meaning they had been hired less than a year ago," Duffy wrote in a social media post this week, echoing a similar posting by Leavitt hours before that said: "No air traffic controllers nor any professionals who perform safety critical functions were terminated ...Feb 21, 2025. That is less than 3% of the entire number of air traffick controllers in the US and no experienced controllers with critical roles.

[The Barbarian]

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

Republicans committing voting fraud whether they got caught or not does nothing to disprove the massive evidence of 2020 voting fraud.

And yet federal judges, including Trump appointees, tossed out dozens of lawsuits alleging voter fraud, citing lack of evidence. That's the reality.

Regardless of what voter fraud cases got tossed and for what reason there still remain mountains of evidence of unrefuted 2020 voter fraud.

You misspelled "unproven." And since no one can produce those mountains of evidence, looks like it's going to remain unproven. However, lots of the claims have been debunked, by collected evidence, or by confessions of the perps who made the false claims:

ATLANTA (AP) Rudy Giuliani is not disputing that he made public comments about two Georgia election workers that were false, but contends his words are constitutionally protected statements, according to a court filing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/r ... on-workers

There's more. Want to see more? BTW, I think we'd all like to see some of that "mountain of evidence." What do you have?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #123]

"Less than 400 were let go, and they were all probationary, meaning they had been hired less than a year ago," Duffy wrote in a social media post this week, echoing a similar posting by Leavitt hours before that said: "No air traffic controllers nor any professionals who perform safety critical functions were terminated ...Feb 21, 2025. That is less than 3% of the entire number of air traffick controllers in the US and no experienced controllers with critical roles."

If the situation is so well in hand, why have air accidents been increasing and why is Musk so worried?
https://www.the-independent.com/news/wo ... 06299.html

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to marke in post #121]

I know what I heard and read that Coomer said. I know that he played a major role in the preparation of Dominion voting machines in multiple states prior to the 2020 election. And I know Democrats, leftist election officials and Dominion officers blocked investigations into Dominion machines by the hundreds just after the elkection. What else do we need to know in order to conclude that some very prominent players in the 2020 election were doing a great deal to hide potential voting fraud in favor of Biden.

We would need to know that they were actually doing so and not be led to premature conclusions by circumstantial evidence and questionable sources.

The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
(Proverbs 18:17)

[marke]

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

Republicans committing voting fraud whether they got caught or not does nothing to disprove the massive evidence of 2020 voting fraud.

And yet federal judges, including Trump appointees, tossed out dozens of lawsuits alleging voter fraud, citing lack of evidence. That's the reality.

Regardless of what voter fraud cases got tossed and for what reason there still remain mountains of evidence of unrefuted 2020 voter fraud.

You misspelled "unproven." And since no one can produce those mountains of evidence, looks like it's going to remain unproven. However, lots of the claims have been debunked, by collected evidence, or by confessions of the perps who made the false claims:

ATLANTA (AP) Rudy Giuliani is not disputing that he made public comments about two Georgia election workers that were false, but contends his words are constitutionally protected statements, according to a court filing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/r ... on-workers

There's more. Want to see more? BTW, I think we'd all like to see some of that "mountain of evidence." What do you have?

Marke: The unrefuted evidence of highly likely fraud is massive whether Americans know that or want to believe that or not. Here is just one of hundreds of examples never adequately investigated by those claiming they want to expose and root out fraud:

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/org ... ff_id=1262
* Fraud & the 2020 Presidential Election
Image Copyright : Source of Image: http://www.senatoroberweis.com/News/153 ... ws-detail/
The Implausibility of Trumps Loss

In municipalities in the Milwaukee County area, 53,291 cell phones were pinpointed at ballot drop boxes three or more times during the 10/20 11/3 window. Within that two-week window, 107 unique devices made (1) 20 or more visits to drop boxes (averaging 26 visits each, some as many as 10-15 per day) and (2) multiple visits to non-governmental organizations ("NGOs") involved in get-out-the-vote efforts (averaging 5 NGO visits each). Those 107 "20X" devices together visited drop boxes a total of 2,824 times during the window, with a majority of visits occurring after 8:00 pm, past posted business hours at the government or other locations where the drop boxes were located.

[The Barbarian]

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

Republicans committing voting fraud whether they got caught or not does nothing to disprove the massive evidence of 2020 voting fraud.

And yet federal judges, including Trump appointees, tossed out dozens of lawsuits alleging voter fraud, citing lack of evidence. That's the reality.

Regardless of what voter fraud cases got tossed and for what reason there still remain mountains of evidence of unrefuted 2020 voter fraud.

You misspelled "unproven." And since no one can produce those mountains of evidence, looks like it's going to remain unproven. However, lots of the claims have been debunked, by collected evidence, or by confessions of the perps who made the false claims:

ATLANTA (AP) Rudy Giuliani is not disputing that he made public comments about two Georgia election workers that were false, but contends his words are constitutionally protected statements, according to a court filing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/r ... i-acknowledges-that-he-made-false-statements-about-georgia-election-workers

There's more. Want to see more? BTW, I think we'd all like to see some of that "mountain of evidence." What do you have?

Marke: The unrefuted evidence of highly likely fraud is massive whether Americans know that or want to believe that or not. Here is just one of hundreds of examples never adequately investigated by those claiming they want to expose and root out fraud:

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/org ... ff_id=1262
* Fraud & the 2020 Presidential Election
Image Copyright : Source of Image: http://www.senatoroberweis.com/News/153 ... ws-detail/
The Implausibility of Trumps Loss

In municipalities in the Milwaukee County area, 53,291 cell phones were pinpointed at ballot drop boxes three or more times during the 10/20 11/3 window. Within that two-week window, 107 unique devices made (1) 20 or more visits to drop boxes (averaging 26 visits each, some as many as 10-15 per day) and (2) multiple visits to non-governmental organizations ("NGOs") involved in get-out-the-vote efforts (averaging 5 NGO visits each). Those 107 "20X" devices together visited drop boxes a total of 2,824 times during the window, with a majority of visits occurring after 8:00 pm, past posted business hours at the government or other locations where the drop boxes were located.

So some people were frequenting the general area (the best technology can only get down to a few meters resolution). This was repeatedly debunked in lawsuits when the Trump people couldn't show any relationship between people driving by, walking on the other side of the street, etc. and ballot boxes. The story fell apart when investigators actually looked at the claims:

FACT FOCUS: Gaping holes in the claim of 2K ballot mules
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... 6dac406762

On the other hand, real election fraud cases, such as the fake elector scams, were easily exposed and prosecuted. One has to conclude that either republicans are a lot dumber than democrats, or that the election fraud attempts were overwhelminingly perpetrated by republicans.

I'm pretty sure it's the latter, unless you can show some data indicating otherwise.

[marke]

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

Republicans committing voting fraud whether they got caught or not does nothing to disprove the massive evidence of 2020 voting fraud.

And yet federal judges, including Trump appointees, tossed out dozens of lawsuits alleging voter fraud, citing lack of evidence. That's the reality.

Regardless of what voter fraud cases got tossed and for what reason there still remain mountains of evidence of unrefuted 2020 voter fraud.

You misspelled "unproven." And since no one can produce those mountains of evidence, looks like it's going to remain unproven. However, lots of the claims have been debunked, by collected evidence, or by confessions of the perps who made the false claims:

ATLANTA (AP) Rudy Giuliani is not disputing that he made public comments about two Georgia election workers that were false, but contends his words are constitutionally protected statements, according to a court filing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/r ... i-acknowledges-that-he-made-false-statements-about-georgia-election-workers

There's more. Want to see more? BTW, I think we'd all like to see some of that "mountain of evidence." What do you have?

Marke: The unrefuted evidence of highly likely fraud is massive whether Americans know that or want to believe that or not. Here is just one of hundreds of examples never adequately investigated by those claiming they want to expose and root out fraud:

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/org ... ff_id=1262
* Fraud & the 2020 Presidential Election
Image Copyright : Source of Image: http://www.senatoroberweis.com/News/153 ... ws-detail/
The Implausibility of Trumps Loss

In municipalities in the Milwaukee County area, 53,291 cell phones were pinpointed at ballot drop boxes three or more times during the 10/20 11/3 window. Within that two-week window, 107 unique devices made (1) 20 or more visits to drop boxes (averaging 26 visits each, some as many as 10-15 per day) and (2) multiple visits to non-governmental organizations ("NGOs") involved in get-out-the-vote efforts (averaging 5 NGO visits each). Those 107 "20X" devices together visited drop boxes a total of 2,824 times during the window, with a majority of visits occurring after 8:00 pm, past posted business hours at the government or other locations where the drop boxes were located.

So some people were frequenting the general area (the best technology can only get down to a few meters resolution). This was repeatedly debunked in lawsuits when the Trump people couldn't show any relationship between people driving by, walking on the other side of the street, etc. and ballot boxes. The story fell apart when investigators actually looked at the claims:

FACT FOCUS: Gaping holes in the claim of 2K ballot mules
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... 6dac406762

On the other hand, real election fraud cases, such as the fake elector scams, were easily exposed and prosecuted. One has to conclude that either republicans are a lot dumber than democrats, or that the election fraud attempts were overwhelminingly perpetrated by republicans.

I'm pretty sure it's the latter, unless you can show some data indicating otherwise.

Marke: Democrats claim multiple trips to the same drop box by the same person on the same day does not mean the person was putting multiple ballots in the box. Nonsense. But so what? If the election officials never verified the validity of the addresses, the number of times voters may have voted in the same election, or whether the voters were even allowed to vote in the election democrats cannot prove there was no fraud.

[The Barbarian]

Actually, it was a republican prosecutor who caught the republicans trying to fraudulently change election results. See above. And lots of the perps have taken plea deals and began cooperating with law enforcement still looking for other criminals in the conspiracy.

Meantime, in spite of numerous assertions by republicans of democrats committing fraud, not a single case of such a conspiracy has been confirmed. Trump's own appointed AG said such claims were "bullshit."

Why not just accept the reality?

Republicans committing voting fraud whether they got caught or not does nothing to disprove the massive evidence of 2020 voting fraud.

And yet federal judges, including Trump appointees, tossed out dozens of lawsuits alleging voter fraud, citing lack of evidence. That's the reality.

Regardless of what voter fraud cases got tossed and for what reason there still remain mountains of evidence of unrefuted 2020 voter fraud.

You misspelled "unproven." And since no one can produce those mountains of evidence, looks like it's going to remain unproven. However, lots of the claims have been debunked, by collected evidence, or by confessions of the perps who made the false claims:

ATLANTA (AP) Rudy Giuliani is not disputing that he made public comments about two Georgia election workers that were false, but contends his words are constitutionally protected statements, according to a court filing.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/r ... i-acknowledges-that-he-made-false-statements-about-georgia-election-workers

There's more. Want to see more? BTW, I think we'd all like to see some of that "mountain of evidence." What do you have?

Marke: The unrefuted evidence of highly likely fraud is massive whether Americans know that or want to believe that or not. Here is just one of hundreds of examples never adequately investigated by those claiming they want to expose and root out fraud:

https://www.discoverthenetworks.org/org ... ff_id=1262
* Fraud & the 2020 Presidential Election
Image Copyright : Source of Image: http://www.senatoroberweis.com/News/153 ... ws-detail/
The Implausibility of Trumps Loss

In municipalities in the Milwaukee County area, 53,291 cell phones were pinpointed at ballot drop boxes three or more times during the 10/20 11/3 window. Within that two-week window, 107 unique devices made (1) 20 or more visits to drop boxes (averaging 26 visits each, some as many as 10-15 per day) and (2) multiple visits to non-governmental organizations ("NGOs") involved in get-out-the-vote efforts (averaging 5 NGO visits each). Those 107 "20X" devices together visited drop boxes a total of 2,824 times during the window, with a majority of visits occurring after 8:00 pm, past posted business hours at the government or other locations where the drop boxes were located.

So some people were frequenting the general area (the best technology can only get down to a few meters resolution). This was repeatedly debunked in lawsuits when the Trump people couldn't show any relationship between people driving by, walking on the other side of the street, etc. and ballot boxes. The story fell apart when investigators actually looked at the claims:

FACT FOCUS: Gaping holes in the claim of 2K ballot mules
https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm ... 6dac406762

On the other hand, real election fraud cases, such as the fake elector scams, were easily exposed and prosecuted. One has to conclude that either republicans are a lot dumber than democrats, or that the election fraud attempts were overwhelminingly perpetrated by republicans.

I'm pretty sure it's the latter, unless you can show some data indicating otherwise.

Marke: Democrats claim multiple trips to the same drop box by the same person on the same day does not mean the person was putting multiple ballots in the box. Nonsense. But so what? If the election officials never verified the validity of the addresses, the number of times voters may have voted in the same election, or whether the voters were even allowed to vote in the election democrats cannot prove there was no fraud.

That's the point. The data doesn't show people making multiple trips to the same drop box. They merely show that some people passed within several meters of the drop box in the same day. From that, they took a huge leap of faith and announced it proved that someone was stuffing the drop box. Given that no such interference was ever documented by looking at the ballots therein, it's pretty foolish to invent such a claim. But when one has orders to make the story work, one does what one can with what there is, I suppose.

The way it works is that one has to prove fraud to make it stick. That's why the perps involved in the fake elector frauds are going to jail, but the guys who happened to pass within a few meters of a drop box, are not.