What is "a god?"

[placebofactor]

Men have imagined many myths, legends, idols, gods, goddesses, heroes, demons, angels, saints, sun gods, moon gods, the gods of the hills, and the thousands of gods of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Babylon, Greece, and Rome; if gathered together in one place their images would fill the Smithsonian or the Colosseum in Rome.

There are those on this forum that claim Jesus Christ is not the true God. If this is true, he must be a false god like all other gods mentioned above because there is only one true God. And if Jesus is only “a god” what is he the god of?

My Bible claims the true God or Jehovah as some prefer to call him is perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness and is to be worshipped by his faithful followers. The LORD is both the Creator and ruler of the universe; and in the Old Testament, he is called, “I Am, Elohim, or Jehovah.”

So, if Jesus Christ is only “a god,” he is not worthy of any Christian’s love, honor, or respect.

Some claim we can pay obeisance to Jesus, but we cannot worship him. If we can pay obeisance to Jesus who is only "a god," why would it be wrong to bow a knee to any man who claims to be God, or even Satan who is the prince of the power of the air?

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #19]


Yes only God can create=Gen 1:27=HE( not we)= YHWH(Jehovah) = THROUGH Jesus, not by Jesus.

You had better get yourself a new Bible or brush up on your reading skills.
Colossians 1:16, speaking of the Lord Jesus, "ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM AND FOR HIM."

Verse 17, "and by him all things consist."

Hebrews 2:10, speaking of Jesus, "by whom are all things, and by whom are all things,"

John 1:3, "All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made, in him (Jesus) was life;"

Verse 10, "the world was made by him, and like (many in this world) knew him not."

99% of all Bibles agree with the above, except the corrupt N.W.T., which has decided to take a different approach to the truth by changing the wording on every one of the above verses. Changed by men without names, the unknowns, and men without proven, accredited credentials concerning their education and expertise in Hebrew, Greek, and translation skills. From my observation of the Watchtower for the past 40 years, whoever these people were, their agenda from the beginning was to support the Arian heresy and rid themselves of the King James Bible they had been using for 100 years.

[servant1]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #21]

You have catholicism error you are believing--John 1:3-1Cor 1:16= THROUGH Jesus= another did the creating.

[A Freeman]

A "god" is a term used to describe the created, spiritual offspring of God, Who Himself is a Spiritual-Being (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).

If a cat had a son, what would that son be? A cat.
If a dog had a son, what would that son be? A dog.
If a horse had a son, what would that son be? A horse.
If a man had a son, what would that son be? A man.
If God has a son, what would that son be? A god.

A god = a spiritual-Being = a Soul = an angel = a jinn = a Being of Light/Fire

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you (your spirit-Beings) [are] children of the Most High.

John 10:34-36
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

[A Freeman]

Anyone falsely claiming that the Son OF God is allegedly The One True God has very obviously has missed HUNDREDS of verses straight out of the mouth of Jesus, e.g.

where Jesus referred to himself as "the son of man" (over 80x), something that God said He could NEVER be (Num. 23:19);

where Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, referred to himself as "the Son of God" (over 50x), i.e. God's CREATED spiritual offspring;

where Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, repeatedly told us that His Father and His God SENT him (over 50x), NOT that he sent himself;

where Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, repeatedly gave all praise and glory to His Father and His God, prayed to His Father and His God, and told the entire world that our spiritual Father and God is His spiritual Father and God (~200x).

This includes verses where Christ tells us he isn't all-knowing (Matt. 24:36); he isn't all-powerful (John 5:19-20), he is and always will be subservient to His Father and His God (John 6:38) and to teach God's doctrine rather than his own (John 7:16-17).

It couldn't be any clearer that Christ is the CREATED Firstborn Son of His Father and His God, exactly as the Scripture tells us.

Colossians 1:12-19
1:12 Giving thanks UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light (with Christ - Heb. 1:2):
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1:16 For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in Earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for him:
1:17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the community: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell (John 3:34-35);

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

So we have it directly from Scripture that Christ is the First Spirit-Being Father CREATED, hence Christ's designation as His Firstborn SON, unless you wish to:

1) redefine what the words "FATHER" and "SON" actually mean;
2) redefine what the words "INHERITANCE" and "HEIR" mean;
3) redefine what the word "ONE" means (as in ONE God, and ONE Mediator BETWEEN God and men);
4) redefine what the word "IMAGE" means (a likeness OF the original, not to be confused with the original itself);
5) redefine what the word "INVISIBLE" means (everyone that met Jesus saw Jesus);
6) redefine what the word "CREATURE" means; and
7) redefine what the word "OF" means (it is FROM someone, somewhere or something)

John 3:34-35
3:34 For he (Christ) whom God hath sent speaketh the Truth of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him]*.
3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN all things into his hand.

*Christ is FILLED with Father's Holy Spirit, i.e. in Christ should all of God's fullness dwell

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #21]

You have catholicism error you are believing--John 1:3-1Cor 1:16= THROUGH Jesus= another did the creating.

Sorry, not a Catholic. You can call me an independent.

[placebofactor]

Anyone falsely claiming that the Son OF God is allegedly The One True God has very obviously has missed HUNDREDS of verses straight out of the mouth of Jesus, e.g.

where Jesus referred to himself as "the son of man" (over 80x), something that God said He could NEVER be (Num. 23:19);

where Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, referred to himself as "the Son of God" (over 50x), i.e. God's CREATED spiritual offspring;

where Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, repeatedly told us that His Father and His God SENT him (over 50x), NOT that he sent himself;

where Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, repeatedly gave all praise and glory to His Father and His God, prayed to His Father and His God, and told the entire world that our spiritual Father and God is His spiritual Father and God (~200x).

This includes verses where Christ tells us he isn't all-knowing (Matt. 24:36); he isn't all-powerful (John 5:19-20), he is and always will be subservient to His Father and His God (John 6:38) and to teach God's doctrine rather than his own (John 7:16-17).

It couldn't be any clearer that Christ is the CREATED Firstborn Son of His Father and His God, exactly as the Scripture tells us.

Colossians 1:12-19
1:12 Giving thanks UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light (with Christ - Heb. 1:2):
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1:16 For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in Earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for him:
1:17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the community: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell (John 3:34-35);

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

So we have it directly from Scripture that Christ is the First Spirit-Being Father CREATED, hence Christ's designation as His Firstborn SON, unless you wish to:

1) redefine what the words "FATHER" and "SON" actually mean;
2) redefine what the words "INHERITANCE" and "HEIR" mean;
3) redefine what the word "ONE" means (as in ONE God, and ONE Mediator BETWEEN God and men);
4) redefine what the word "IMAGE" means (a likeness OF the original, not to be confused with the original itself);
5) redefine what the word "INVISIBLE" means (everyone that met Jesus saw Jesus);
6) redefine what the word "CREATURE" means; and
7) redefine what the word "OF" means (it is FROM someone, somewhere or something)

John 3:34-35
3:34 For he (Christ) whom God hath sent speaketh the Truth of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him]*.
3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN all things into his hand.

*Christ is FILLED with Father's Holy Spirit, i.e. in Christ should all of God's fullness dwell

[placebofactor]

Anyone falsely claiming that the Son OF God is allegedly The One True God has very obviously has missed HUNDREDS of verses straight out of the mouth of Jesus, e.g.

where Jesus referred to himself as "the son of man" (over 80x), something that God said He could NEVER be (Num. 23:19);

where Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, referred to himself as "the Son of God" (over 50x), i.e. God's CREATED spiritual offspring;

where Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, repeatedly told us that His Father and His God SENT him (over 50x), NOT that he sent himself;

where Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, repeatedly gave all praise and glory to His Father and His God, prayed to His Father and His God, and told the entire world that our spiritual Father and God is His spiritual Father and God (~200x).

This includes verses where Christ tells us he isn't all-knowing (Matt. 24:36); he isn't all-powerful (John 5:19-20), he is and always will be subservient to His Father and His God (John 6:38) and to teach God's doctrine rather than his own (John 7:16-17).

It couldn't be any clearer that Christ is the CREATED Firstborn Son of His Father and His God, exactly as the Scripture tells us.

Colossians 1:12-19
1:12 Giving thanks UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light (with Christ - Heb. 1:2):
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1:16 For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in Earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for him:
1:17 And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the community: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell (John 3:34-35);

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

So we have it directly from Scripture that Christ is the First Spirit-Being Father CREATED, hence Christ's designation as His Firstborn SON, unless you wish to:

1) redefine what the words "FATHER" and "SON" actually mean;
2) redefine what the words "INHERITANCE" and "HEIR" mean;
3) redefine what the word "ONE" means (as in ONE God, and ONE Mediator BETWEEN God and men);
4) redefine what the word "IMAGE" means (a likeness OF the original, not to be confused with the original itself);
5) redefine what the word "INVISIBLE" means (everyone that met Jesus saw Jesus);
6) redefine what the word "CREATURE" means; and
7) redefine what the word "OF" means (it is FROM someone, somewhere or something)

John 3:34-35
3:34 For he (Christ) whom God hath sent speaketh the Truth of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him]*.
3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN all things into his hand.

*Christ is FILLED with Father's Holy Spirit, i.e. in Christ should all of God's fullness dwell

Thanks for all your hard work, but quoting verses out of context does not get it with me. Concerning all the New Testament verses you quoted, you forgot to mention that Jesus had set all his glory aside, making himself lower than the angels. He came to save mankind from the wrath of his Father.

Jesus was not created; he was the firstborn of the creation. One issue I have with the Jehovah's Witnesses, they all repeat what they hear and read from their Watchtower without doing their own investigation, bringing in ALL the evidence, not just Watchtower propaganda. Jesus was not created. Colossians 1:15, Jesus, "Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature."

Now go get yourself a good Lexicon and examine the word closely. It has several meanings. You are applying it to your Savior in an incorrect manner. The following came from my website and is my own personal research. No biases!

Firstborn: Greek is, prototokos.
First-born: When used as a past particle, it expresses a completed action. The firstborn of a father or mother; Abraham and Sarah's firstborn was Isaac. Luke 2:7. Including also the firstborn of animals, Hebrews 11:28. The Septuagint for Hebrew, Genesis 27:19-32, "Thy firstborn Esau." Also, of animals, Exodus 12:12-29.

Now, as a trope, or metaphor, first-born, refers to the first, the chief, one highly distinguished and preeminent; so, of Christ, as the beloved Son of God before the creation, Colossians 1:15, "The firstborn of every creature," the head, he who is distinguished and preeminent, collectively with verse 16. Hebrews 1:6, "When He (the Father) bringeth in the first begotten into the world, He said, and let all the angels of God worship Him," collectively with verse 5, The Father said, "This day have I begotten thee?"
“To bring or bringeth in” in this verse means to introduce, into the world. "Let there be light." See also Luke 14:21, the servant was told to bring in to him the poor, maimed, lame, and blind

About Jesus followers (the saved), Romans 8:29, "The firstborn among many brethren," compared with Colossians 1:18, "The firstborn from the dead," or as the first to rise from the dead, the Leader and Prince of those who shall arise.
Revelation 1:5, "The first begotten of the dead." The Septuagint for Hebrew, Christ; or the Messiah, Psalms 89:27, "My firstborn." Of the saints in heaven, probably those formerly most distinguished on earth by the favor and love of God, as patriarchs, prophets, apostles, etc. Hebrews 12:23, "Church of the firstborn." Septuagint for Hebrew, "Israel is my son, my firstborn," Exodus 4:22; Of Ephraim, Jeremiah 31:9, "Ephraim is my firstborn."
Check the above out with any well-recognized Lexicon.

As for Matthew 24:36, that's another subject you have wrong. I'm going to do a post on it shortly.

[Capbook]

A "god" is a term used to describe the created, spiritual offspring of God, Who Himself is a Spiritual-Being (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).

If a cat had a son, what would that son be? A cat.
If a dog had a son, what would that son be? A dog.
If a horse had a son, what would that son be? A horse.
If a man had a son, what would that son be? A man.
If God has a son, what would that son be? A god.

A god = a spiritual-Being = a Soul = an angel = a jinn = a Being of Light/Fire

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you (your spirit-Beings) [are] children of the Most High.

John 10:34-36
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Yes, lower case cat, the son lowercase cat.
Yes, lowercase dog, the son lowercase dog.
Yes, lowercase horse, the son lowercase horse.
Yes, lowercase man, the son lowercase man.
Why uppercase God, the son lowercase god? Why and explain. Why Arians cannot apply same honest logical comparison above?

[A Freeman]

A "god" is a term used to describe the created, spiritual offspring of God, Who Himself is a Spiritual-Being (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).

If a cat had a son, what would that son be? A cat.
If a dog had a son, what would that son be? A dog.
If a horse had a son, what would that son be? A horse.
If a man had a son, what would that son be? A man.
If God has a son, what would that son be? A god.

A god = a spiritual-Being = a Soul = an angel = a jinn = a Being of Light/Fire

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you (your spirit-Beings) [are] children of the Most High.

John 10:34-36
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Yes, lower case cat, the son lowercase cat.
Yes, lowercase dog, the son lowercase dog.
Yes, lowercase horse, the son lowercase horse.
Yes, lowercase man, the son lowercase man.
Why uppercase God, the son lowercase god? Why and explain. Why Arians cannot apply same honest logical comparison above?

Why do you feel you need to ask this question please given the context?

There is only one God (upper case G) and the Children of the Most High are referred to as "gods" (lower case "g") in Scripture. Are you questioning the Scripture which, as Jesus said, cannot be broken?

[Capbook]

A "god" is a term used to describe the created, spiritual offspring of God, Who Himself is a Spiritual-Being (Num. 23:19; John 4:24).

If a cat had a son, what would that son be? A cat.
If a dog had a son, what would that son be? A dog.
If a horse had a son, what would that son be? A horse.
If a man had a son, what would that son be? A man.
If God has a son, what would that son be? A god.

A god = a spiritual-Being = a Soul = an angel = a jinn = a Being of Light/Fire

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you (your spirit-Beings) [are] children of the Most High.

John 10:34-36
10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your Law, I said, Ye are gods?
10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the Word of God came, and the Scripture cannot be broken;
10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Yes, lower case cat, the son lowercase cat.
Yes, lowercase dog, the son lowercase dog.
Yes, lowercase horse, the son lowercase horse.
Yes, lowercase man, the son lowercase man.
Why uppercase God, the son lowercase god? Why and explain. Why Arians cannot apply same honest logical comparison above?

Why do you feel you need to ask this question please given the context?

There is only one God (upper case G) and the Children of the Most High are referred to as "gods" (lower case "g") in Scripture. Are you questioning the Scripture which, as Jesus said, cannot be broken?

Why you can't follow your honest and logical comparison above?
I believe you will be the one to question the Scriptures original wordings of the John 1:18, supported by the oldest manuscripts the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75. Jesus as the only-begotten God.
While there are other readings but was not described as the "original words".

Jhn 1:18  R1 No G3762  one G3762  has seen G3708  God G2316  at any G4455  time G4455 ;  R2 the only G3439  begotten G3439  God G2316  who is  R3 in the bosom G2859  of the Father G3962 ,  R4 He has explained G1834  Him.