I think it is that Jesus shows the truth and offers freedom.placebofactor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:19 pm ...What is it the world hates about Jesus and those of us who follow him?
Why does the world hate Jesus?
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Re: Why does the world hate Jesus?
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Re: Why does the world hate Jesus?
Post #5So many are quoting jesus when he says he testifies to the evil in the world
C'mon people....think .., who has been given that job? Who testifies to the evil in the world? Think ..the one people say they hate. Though they have no reason to hate him as he does not sin. He does get others to disobey God. In the end he rats you out.
Any guesses?
Who was the one who promised life eternal even if you disobeyed God? Who got Eve to disobey God?
She died. The serpent lied. The serpent didn't die. It still lives.
Any entity promising eternal life? Any entity say you don't have to keep the law? It's the oldest trick in the book
C'mon people....think .., who has been given that job? Who testifies to the evil in the world? Think ..the one people say they hate. Though they have no reason to hate him as he does not sin. He does get others to disobey God. In the end he rats you out.
Any guesses?
Who was the one who promised life eternal even if you disobeyed God? Who got Eve to disobey God?
She died. The serpent lied. The serpent didn't die. It still lives.
Any entity promising eternal life? Any entity say you don't have to keep the law? It's the oldest trick in the book
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Re: Why does the world hate Jesus?
Post #6Not only the only trick in the book, but the oldest deception known to man.Avoice wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:38 am So many are quoting jesus when he says he testifies to the evil in the world
C'mon people....think .., who has been given that job? Who testifies to the evil in the world? Think ..the one people say they hate. Though they have no reason to hate him as he does not sin. He does get others to disobey God. In the end he rats you out.
Any guesses?
Who was the one who promised life eternal even if you disobeyed God? Who got Eve to disobey God?
She died. The serpent lied. The serpent didn't die. It still lives.
Any entity promising eternal life? Any entity say you don't have to keep the law? It's the oldest trick in the book
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Re: Why does the world hate Jesus?
Post #7Where and how do you think this hatred is manifest? Do you think you're persecuted for being a Christian?placebofactor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:19 pmQuestion: What is it the world hates about Jesus and those of us who follow him?
It looks to me like Christianity sits in a privileged seat, at least in the United States. A simple example is that a number of states' laws include language that allow religious exceptions for behavior that would otherwise be considered medical neglect. If you think instead that Christianity is actually persecuted, how should we draw that conclusion?
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Re: Why does the world hate Jesus?
Post #8It would seem to be if you have your head in the sand. I have never been persecuted personally for being a Christian, but I did serve 7 years in the Marines to protect that right, as have millions of other military personnel. Christianity is not free; it has to be worked for and protected, either by laws or might. Also, one bit of information concerning your question, who is considered a follower of Jesus Christ = a Christian? Many call themselves Christians here in America.Difflugia wrote: ↑Tue Jun 24, 2025 4:16 pmWhere and how do you think this hatred is manifest? Do you think you're persecuted for being a Christian?placebofactor wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 4:19 pmQuestion: What is it the world hates about Jesus and those of us who follow him?
It looks to me like Christianity sits in a privileged seat, at least in the United States. A simple example is that a number of states' laws include language that allow religious exceptions for behavior that would otherwise be considered medical neglect. If you think instead that Christianity is actually persecuted, how should we draw that conclusion?
Catholics do, yet they pray to the dead, light candles, say rosaries, and pray to Mary and a host of other dead saints. They claim the Pope has replaced Jesus until he returns. They have also added their Catholicism rules and dogmas to the Scriptures, and over the centuries, have killed tens of thousands of Christians who dared disagree with their teachings.
Then there are the Mormons who claim the Father had intercourse with (angelic women) had spiritual children, and Walla! here you and I stand, sons and daughters of Jehovah. They have also added the teaching of the Book of Mormon to the Scriptures.
Jehovah's Witnesses deny the Holy Spirit as the third person of the Godhead and deny the Divinity of their Savior, Jesus Christ. To qualify their teaching, they had to rewrite the Bible and added about 140 rules that govern each member's life, thus putting themselves back under the law.
Then there's the Church of Christ that denies the rapture of the saints.
The Seventh Day Adventists are a strictly law-governed organization.
There are homosexual churches that call themselves Christians. There are the Amish, Scientologists, and on and on it goes.
And if you haven't noticed, over the past 60 years, many laws have been passed against teaching American children the Bible in public schools, the removal of Bibles from schools, and the removal of the 10 commandments from public buildings and federal lands. Christians are being forced in schools and by government elected officials (pagans) to accept the Lesbian, gays BULL. This puts doubt in the minds of our youth concerning Biblical teachings. They are also being forced fed the theory of evolution.
Last week alone, two Christian churches were attacked by gunmen, and there has been an upsurge in violence against the Jewish community in their synagogues and colleges around the country. Never forget, we Gentiles have been adopted into the blessing the Lord has promised the people of Israel. We Gentiles are the "Wild branches) grafted into the natural branches (the Jews.) We are to pray for the peace of Israel, a reminder to my Jehovah's Witness friends. Israel is a chosen vessel unto the LORD to this day.
That's my story, what's yours?
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Re: Why does the world hate Jesus?
Post #9Nothing you wrote supports that. You seem convinced that many Christians aren't really Christians, but you haven't supported that any of you are persecuted.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amIt would seem to be if you have your head in the sand.
It sounds to me like you hate a lot of Jesuses. Are you sure you're not projecting a little?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amI have never been persecuted personally for being a Christian, but I did serve 7 years in the Marines to protect that right, as have millions of other military personnel. Christianity is not free; it has to be worked for and protected, either by laws or might. Also, one bit of information concerning your question, who is considered a follower of Jesus Christ = a Christian? Many call themselves Christians here in America.
Catholics do, yet they pray to the dead, light candles, say rosaries, and pray to Mary and a host of other dead saints. They claim the Pope has replaced Jesus until he returns. They have also added their Catholicism rules and dogmas to the Scriptures, and over the centuries, have killed tens of thousands of Christians who dared disagree with their teachings.
Then there are the Mormons who claim the Father had intercourse with (angelic women) had spiritual children, and Walla! here you and I stand, sons and daughters of Jehovah. They have also added the teaching of the Book of Mormon to the Scriptures.
Jehovah's Witnesses deny the Holy Spirit as the third person of the Godhead and deny the Divinity of their Savior, Jesus Christ. To qualify their teaching, they had to rewrite the Bible and added about 140 rules that govern each member's life, thus putting themselves back under the law.
Then there's the Church of Christ that denies the rapture of the saints.
The Seventh Day Adventists are a strictly law-governed organization.
There are homosexual churches that call themselves Christians. There are the Amish, Scientologists, and on and on it goes.
If this is even true, this sounds at worst like removing some of the undue privilege that Christianity has been afforded. Can that really be called persecution?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amAnd if you haven't noticed, over the past 60 years, many laws have been passed against teaching American children the Bible in public schools, the removal of Bibles from schools, and the removal of the 10 commandments from public buildings and federal lands.
Nobody's forcing anyone, Christian or not, to accept anything. We're not allowed to persecute pagans, lesbians, gays, and bulls, but that could only be considered persecution against you if you're one of the bad guys. Are you?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amChristians are being forced in schools and by government elected officials (pagans) to accept the Lesbian, gays BULL.
Not being able to pick on other kids creates doubt? I'd think that would only be true if persecution of others is a biblical teaching.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amThis puts doubt in the minds of our youth concerning Biblical teachings.
So, science education is persecution against Christians? Is a medical education persecutes against chiropractors and witch doctors?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amThey are also being forced fed the theory of evolution.
That sounds like a good reason to restrict gun ownership.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amLast week alone, two Christian churches were attacked by gunmen,
How is that persecution of Christians?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amand there has been an upsurge in violence against the Jewish community in their synagogues and colleges around the country.
It sounds like in addition to the science, some history wouldn't hurt, either.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amNever forget, we Gentiles have been adopted into the blessing the Lord has promised the people of Israel. We Gentiles are the "Wild branches) grafted into the natural branches (the Jews.)
One might think that you're to pray for everyone's peace. All lives matter and such.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amWe are to pray for the peace of Israel, a reminder to my Jehovah's Witness friends. Israel is a chosen vessel unto the LORD to this day.
More science, less hating Jesus, less persecution complex.
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Post #10Whatever!!!!!Difflugia wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 1:23 pmNothing you wrote supports that. You seem convinced that many Christians aren't really Christians, but you haven't supported that any of you are persecuted.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amIt would seem to be if you have your head in the sand.
It sounds to me like you hate a lot of Jesuses. Are you sure you're not projecting a little?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amI have never been persecuted personally for being a Christian, but I did serve 7 years in the Marines to protect that right, as have millions of other military personnel. Christianity is not free; it has to be worked for and protected, either by laws or might. Also, one bit of information concerning your question, who is considered a follower of Jesus Christ = a Christian? Many call themselves Christians here in America.
Catholics do, yet they pray to the dead, light candles, say rosaries, and pray to Mary and a host of other dead saints. They claim the Pope has replaced Jesus until he returns. They have also added their Catholicism rules and dogmas to the Scriptures, and over the centuries, have killed tens of thousands of Christians who dared disagree with their teachings.
Then there are the Mormons who claim the Father had intercourse with (angelic women) had spiritual children, and Walla! here you and I stand, sons and daughters of Jehovah. They have also added the teaching of the Book of Mormon to the Scriptures.
Jehovah's Witnesses deny the Holy Spirit as the third person of the Godhead and deny the Divinity of their Savior, Jesus Christ. To qualify their teaching, they had to rewrite the Bible and added about 140 rules that govern each member's life, thus putting themselves back under the law.
Then there's the Church of Christ that denies the rapture of the saints.
The Seventh Day Adventists are a strictly law-governed organization.
There are homosexual churches that call themselves Christians. There are the Amish, Scientologists, and on and on it goes.
Hate! I don't hate anyone, never have. I'm answering your questions. The only thing I try to project is what the Scriptures teach, nothing else.
If this is even true, this sounds at worst like removing some of the undue privilege that Christianity has been afforded. Can that really be called persecution?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amAnd if you haven't noticed, over the past 60 years, many laws have been passed against teaching American children the Bible in public schools, the removal of Bibles from schools, and the removal of the 10 commandments from public buildings and federal lands.
It appears you have no knowledge who built this country. Christianity has earned whatever privilages you think they may have, but Mister, they were not free. Christians are responsible for every child getting an education in America, they are responsible for hospitals so every American can have care, etc. etc.
Nobody's forcing anyone, Christian or not, to accept anything. We're not allowed to persecute pagans, lesbians, gays, and bulls, but that could only be considered persecution against you if you're one of the bad guys. Are you?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amChristians are being forced in schools and by government elected officials (pagans) to accept the Lesbian, gays BULL.
I love the way you twist words; it looks like you have a great deal of experience doing just that. I never broke the law in my 88 years of life. I obey the law because I respect the law.
Not being able to pick on other kids creates doubt?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amThis puts doubt in the minds of our youth concerning Biblical teachings.
What are you talking about?
I'd think that would only be true if persecution of others is a biblical teaching.
No one said it was. Only the guilty, those who break the law should be persecuted.
So, science education is persecution against Christians? Is a medical education persecutes against chiropractors and witch doctors?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amThey are also being forced fed the theory of evolution.
Your comment is unclear. Whatever you said may be your thoughts? because their not mine.
That sounds like a good reason to restrict gun ownership.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amLast week alone, two Christian churches were attacked by gunmen,
No one is forced to own a gun, but if you break into my house, you will get shot, not killed, but seriously changed. It's called self-defense. Even you should be wise enough to know, people in their 80s cannot defend themselves physically, so I would say a gun is a necessary weapon.
How is that persecution of Christians?placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amand there has been an upsurge in violence against the Jewish community in their synagogues and colleges around the country.
Christians are adopted into the blessing of the Jews. We Christians are one with them. The God I worship said, "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem." Meaning: Pray for the Jews. Islam is the problem, not Israel.
It sounds like in addition to the science, some history wouldn't hurt, either.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amNever forget, we Gentiles have been adopted into the blessing the Lord has promised the people of Israel. We Gentiles are the "Wild branches) grafted into the natural branches (the Jews.)
Not sure what you mean, but I'm sure it's meant to be a negative comment. As far as history, it's my favorite subject.
One might think that you're to pray for everyone's peace. All lives matter and such.placebofactor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:25 amWe are to pray for the peace of Israel, a reminder to my Jehovah's Witness friends. Israel is a chosen vessel unto the LORD to this day.
All lived do matter, but murders, rapist, thief's etc. should all be dealt with, with the heavy hand of the law.
More science, less hating Jesus, less persecution complex.