The Father.
They're the same God, not the same person.
Because your questions don't actually address the Doctrine of the Trinity.
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The Father.
They're the same God, not the same person.
Because your questions don't actually address the Doctrine of the Trinity.
God the Father.Bible_Student wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:23 amThat is not what the Scripture teaches.
Acts 3:13?The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers,
God the Son.
Sounds pretty orthodox to me.Bible_Student wrote: ↑Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:23 amwhom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him.
They certainly do. I was a trinitarian for over 30 years, so I know what the doctrine is.
Yes. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the God Jehovah. So is the Father. So is the Holy Spirit. They're different persons, though. They don't believe that Jesus is the Father or that the Father is the Holy Spirit.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:30 pmI'm waiting for Placebo to answer, because he believes that Jesus IS Jehovah.
Very good difflugia, couldn't have said it any better.Difflugia wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:17 pmYes. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the God Jehovah. So is the Father. So is the Holy Spirit. They're different persons, though. They don't believe that Jesus is the Father or that the Father is the Holy Spirit.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:30 pmI'm waiting for Placebo to answer, because he believes that Jesus IS Jehovah.
That is not what placebo was saying. He didn't say that there were three individuals. He said that Jesus IS Jehovah. That is not the same as what you are saying, difflugia.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:03 pmVery good difflugia, couldn't have said it any better.Difflugia wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:17 pmYes. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the God Jehovah. So is the Father. So is the Holy Spirit. They're different persons, though. They don't believe that Jesus is the Father or that the Father is the Holy Spirit.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:30 pmI'm waiting for Placebo to answer, because he believes that Jesus IS Jehovah.
Are you sure you weren't accidentally a heretic while you were a Baptist?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:14 pmThat is not what placebo was saying. He didn't say that there were three individuals. He said that Jesus IS Jehovah. That is not the same as what you are saying, difflugia.
Onewithhim, I have answered your question in my most recent post, God's attributes.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:14 pmThat is not what placebo was saying. He didn't say that there were three individuals. He said that Jesus IS Jehovah. That is not the same as what you are saying, difflugia.placebofactor wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 6:03 pmVery good difflugia, couldn't have said it any better.Difflugia wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 5:17 pmYes. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the God Jehovah. So is the Father. So is the Holy Spirit. They're different persons, though. They don't believe that Jesus is the Father or that the Father is the Holy Spirit.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 4:30 pmI'm waiting for Placebo to answer, because he believes that Jesus IS Jehovah.
It can be shown that Jehovah IS the Father. Orthodox Trinitarian theology is spurious, IMHO.Difflugia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 3:18 pmAre you sure you weren't accidentally a heretic while you were a Baptist?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jun 27, 2025 1:14 pmThat is not what placebo was saying. He didn't say that there were three individuals. He said that Jesus IS Jehovah. That is not the same as what you are saying, difflugia.
Jesus IS Jehovah. So IS the Father. So IS the Holy Spirit.
Considering that he just agreed with what I wrote, you may want to reread what you think he wrote. Or maybe somebody misspoke. I've also noticed that you sometimes mix up "Jehovah" and "the Father" in your head when you're making your arguments. That always works in Witness theology, but doesn't always work in orthodox Trinitarian theology.