What is "a god?"

[placebofactor]

Men have imagined many myths, legends, idols, gods, goddesses, heroes, demons, angels, saints, sun gods, moon gods, the gods of the hills, and the thousands of gods of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Persia, Babylon, Greece, and Rome; if gathered together in one place their images would fill the Smithsonian or the Colosseum in Rome.

There are those on this forum that claim Jesus Christ is not the true God. If this is true, he must be a false god like all other gods mentioned above because there is only one true God. And if Jesus is only “a god” what is he the god of?

My Bible claims the true God or Jehovah as some prefer to call him is perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness and is to be worshipped by his faithful followers. The LORD is both the Creator and ruler of the universe; and in the Old Testament, he is called, “I Am, Elohim, or Jehovah.”

So, if Jesus Christ is only “a god,” he is not worthy of any Christian’s love, honor, or respect.

Some claim we can pay obeisance to Jesus, but we cannot worship him. If we can pay obeisance to Jesus who is only "a god," why would it be wrong to bow a knee to any man who claims to be God, or even Satan who is the prince of the power of the air?

[Difflugia]

I asked "to whom was Jesus praying,

The Father.

if he and Jehovah are the same?"

They're the same God, not the same person.

I got no answer.

Because your questions don't actually address the Doctrine of the Trinity.

[Difflugia]

... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are in hypostatic union as Jehovah. It's a mystery.

That is not what the Scripture teaches.

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers,

God the Father.

has glorified his Servant, Jesus,

God the Son.

whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him.

Sounds pretty orthodox to me.

The problem that you're going to keep having is that if you want there to be one, single, unified theology of God, it has to include all four Gospels and Trinitarianism fits the Synoptics better than Arianism fits John. Your prooftexting argues against Modalism, but not the orthodox view of the Trinity.

[onewithhim]

I asked "to whom was Jesus praying,

The Father.

if he and Jehovah are the same?"

They're the same God, not the same person.

I got no answer.

Because your questions don't actually address the Doctrine of the Trinity.

They certainly do. I was a trinitarian for over 30 years, so I know what the doctrine is.

I'm waiting for Placebo to answer, because he believes that Jesus IS Jehovah.

[Difflugia]

I'm waiting for Placebo to answer, because he believes that Jesus IS Jehovah.

Yes. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the God Jehovah. So is the Father. So is the Holy Spirit. They're different persons, though. They don't believe that Jesus is the Father or that the Father is the Holy Spirit.

[placebofactor]

I'm waiting for Placebo to answer, because he believes that Jesus IS Jehovah.

Yes. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the God Jehovah. So is the Father. So is the Holy Spirit. They're different persons, though. They don't believe that Jesus is the Father or that the Father is the Holy Spirit.

Very good difflugia, couldn't have said it any better.

[onewithhim]

I'm waiting for Placebo to answer, because he believes that Jesus IS Jehovah.

Yes. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the God Jehovah. So is the Father. So is the Holy Spirit. They're different persons, though. They don't believe that Jesus is the Father or that the Father is the Holy Spirit.

Very good difflugia, couldn't have said it any better.

That is not what placebo was saying. He didn't say that there were three individuals. He said that Jesus IS Jehovah. That is not the same as what you are saying, difflugia.

[Difflugia]

That is not what placebo was saying. He didn't say that there were three individuals. He said that Jesus IS Jehovah. That is not the same as what you are saying, difflugia.

Are you sure you weren't accidentally a heretic while you were a Baptist?

Jesus IS Jehovah. So IS the Father. So IS the Holy Spirit.

Considering that he just agreed with what I wrote, you may want to reread what you think he wrote. Or maybe somebody misspoke. I've also noticed that you sometimes mix up "Jehovah" and "the Father" in your head when you're making your arguments. That always works in Witness theology, but doesn't always work in orthodox Trinitarian theology.

[Capbook]

[Replying to Capbook in post #66]

That is Gods name in Hebrew--We do not speak Hebrew. FACT=Our translations are in English.

Yes, your FACT=English but used the Latinized of the Tetragrammaton. Bear in mind Latin is not English.

But the Tetragrammaton = God's personal name, whether Latinized or not. Google "Tetragrammaton" and you will see the Hebrew letters of God's name.

Yes, you will see the Tetragrammaton in Deut 6:4, that's not the Latinized your church used.

Deu 6:4 “Hear, O Yisra’ěl: יהוה our Elohim, יהוה is one!

"Your church"?? It is not just in the NWT that "Jehovah" appears. Take the verse at Psalm 83:18 in the King James Version: "That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." Young's Literal Translation, the Living Bible, the Divine Name KJV, the American Standard Bible, the Interlinear Bible, and others, all use the Latinized form of the Tetragrammaton.

You may used the Latinized but that is not what my resource Bible used. Its a Hebrew name, the four-letter name of God in the Hebrew Bible, traditionally represented by the Hebrew letters Yod, Heh, Vav, and Heh (יהוה), which is transliterated as YHWH or YHVH.

Psa 83:18 And let them know that You, Whose Name is יהוה, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.

[placebofactor]

I'm waiting for Placebo to answer, because he believes that Jesus IS Jehovah.

Yes. Trinitarians believe that Jesus is the God Jehovah. So is the Father. So is the Holy Spirit. They're different persons, though. They don't believe that Jesus is the Father or that the Father is the Holy Spirit.

Very good difflugia, couldn't have said it any better.

That is not what placebo was saying. He didn't say that there were three individuals. He said that Jesus IS Jehovah. That is not the same as what you are saying, difflugia.

Onewithhim, I have answered your question in my most recent post, God's attributes.

[onewithhim]

That is not what placebo was saying. He didn't say that there were three individuals. He said that Jesus IS Jehovah. That is not the same as what you are saying, difflugia.

Are you sure you weren't accidentally a heretic while you were a Baptist?

Jesus IS Jehovah. So IS the Father. So IS the Holy Spirit.

Considering that he just agreed with what I wrote, you may want to reread what you think he wrote. Or maybe somebody misspoke. I've also noticed that you sometimes mix up "Jehovah" and "the Father" in your head when you're making your arguments. That always works in Witness theology, but doesn't always work in orthodox Trinitarian theology.

It can be shown that Jehovah IS the Father. Orthodox Trinitarian theology is spurious, IMHO.