Jesus is a Myth!

[POI]

The Gospels are fiction and the Jesus character is a myth. There may have been a Jesus upon whom the character is based, but I doubt it.

Loosely, there was a church already in existence when Paul became an apostle (Galatians 2). I don't think we know anything about it, because that church was effectively destroyed by the sack of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Paul's Asian churches were effectively unmoored and they absorbed a sort of second- or third-hand tradition left over from the Jerusalem church. That tradition was allegorically retold in the Synoptics. Acts is a sort of theological textbook, allegorically describing the fusion of the Pauline churches and what little remained of the Jerusalem church through the conflict between its Peter and Paul characters and the resoliution of that conflict.

For debate: Was Jesus a real character from antiquity? If so, how do we know?

The stakes are very high for the Orthodox believer. Why? If Jesus never existed, it's completely game over. Christianity is dead before we ever get to ask if Jesus ever rose. If Jesus did exist, then we can still question his claimed actions(s) all the way up to him rising again....

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At the moment, I'm personally agnostic to this topic position. But I would sure love to see how this topic fleshes out among all the smarties who exchange within this arena

[Realworldjack]

it may take me some time to respond, but I will, I assure you!

I'm touched that my input here in this arena riles you up so much, and merits so much of your time to be invested. I'm both flattered and touched. Thank you kindly. However, please address the mythicists in this thread. I would love to see an intellectual exchange between smarties of opposing asserted positions here.

Please do not flatter yourself. I know the arguments you are making, because I know where you have been, and my aim is to force you to defend what you are regurgitating or change the arguments you are making. Remember, I have no problem with those who do not believe, and I have no problem with those who may doubt. My problem is with those who claim to have been convinced for decades of their life that a dead man rose from the grave, with no reason at all, who now want to insist there would be no reason involved in what it is they were once convinced of.

[1DoubtingThomas]

[Replying to OneJack in post #18]


OneJack, who likes to be a pseudo-christian at best!

To save you from further embarrassment, I will only address your statements that show you to be a real BIBLE FOOL in your pitiful post number 18! Okay? You can thank me later.


1. YOUR BIBLICAL DUMBNESS IS SHOWING ONCE AGAIN AT YOUR LAUGHABLE EXPENSE IN THIS QUOTE OF YOURS!: "All you propound here are off the grid opinion about biblical passages not knowing which exactly are the words of God and Jesus and which are not"

OMG, when will your Bible Stupidisms ever end?! Whereas, your serial killer Jesus as God inspired the entire Bible as shown in the passage below, understood? ...Huh? ... Maybe? ... Just a little bit? ...Yes?

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)




2. YOUR TELLING STATEMENT THAT SLAPS JESUS AS GOD IN THE FACE!!!: "Tell no lies here, why drag Jesus to Johns narratives by saying along with Jesus inspired words in said verse, what and where are the words of Jesus in John 1:1?"

AGAIN, Jesus as God inspired the entire Bible as shown herewith, and therefore includes John 1:1, GET IT BIBLE FOOL?!: And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God. (1 Thessalonians 2:13)




3. YOUR EMBARRASSING STATEMENT IN SHOWING THE ATHEISTS THAT YOU CAN'T RELY UPON THE BIBLE BEING TRUE!!!!!: "John 1:1 is allegedly Johns words, which are 50-50 in chances of being true or not and therefore certainty is shaky."

OMG! You can actually state that your Jewish Bible is only a 50-50 chance that John's words are TRUE and therefore shaky???! .... LOL! Therefore, you are admitting that your Jewish Bible, WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD, cannot be trusted whatsoever, way to go OneJack! .... Just think, your Jesus as God is watching you denounce and demean his Bible (Hebrews 4:13), where you will pay dearly upon your Judgment Day in going straight to HELL, as the passage below so states where you are guilty of the bold type notions:

JESUS SAID IN YOUR BEHALF: But as for the cowardly, THE FAITHLESS, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIERS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)




4.YOUR ONCE AGAIN DUMBFOUNDED STATEMENT: "The Almighty God. Who has seen the Almighty God? No one yet, have you?"

It is truly hard to deal with your complete Bible DUMBNESS, whereas the following biblical characters has seen your Jewish God, therefore you are WRONG AGAIN! ....H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today? ... NOT!

1. Moses saw God's backside: ( Exodus 33:18-23)

2. Since Jesus is God, therefore many saw God, DUH!

3. And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram (Genesis 17:1)

4. And the LORD appeared unto [Isaac] (Genesis 26:2)

5. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Genesis 32:30)

6. And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. (Exodus 33:11)

7. Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel (Exodus 24:9-11)

8. For they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, that thou Lord art seen face to face. (Numbers 14:14)

9. And I [God] will bring you [the Israelites] into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. (Ezekiel 20:35)

10. I [ Micaiah] saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. (1 Kings 22:19, 2 Chronicles 18:18)

11. I [Isaiah] saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, .... for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. (Isaiah 6:1-2)




ONEJACK, IN ME CONTINUING TO SHOW YOUR OUTRIGHT "BIBLE STUPIDITY" ENDS HERE, BECAUSE IT IS "CLOGGING UP" POI'S TRUTHFUL THREAD OF JESUS BEING A MYTH!



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[POI]

All you are doing here is corrupting/sidetracking this topic. Either spend your energy defending why you believe Jesus cannot be a myth, or please refrain from adding even more irrelevant stuff in this thread. You state your time is so limited, and yet, you spend it with all this nonsense. If you have a specific beef, create a new thread. We can dish it out there, not here. Just like I did.

Please do not flatter yourself.

I'm doing no such thing. I'm objectively thanking you for spending so much time, writing all these textwalls, in response to what I state. You claim you have very limited time, and yet, you are objectively spending much of it on me. So, thank you for that.

[1DoubtingThomas]

All you are doing here is corrupting/sidetracking this topic. Either spend your energy defending why you believe Jesus cannot be a myth, or please refrain from adding even more irrelevant stuff in this thread.


^^^ POI, in having RealWorkJack "trying" to prove that Jesus is not a MYTH," then he also has to prove that the Greek God Zeus is not a MYTH as well for obvious reasons!

The ruse of the primitive and barbaric Bronze and Iron Age religion of Christianity, with its brutal serial killer God Jesus, unfortunately continues into the 21st Century.

[Carnivalfaces]

[Replying to POI in post #1]

The fact no real evidence puts Jesus there in the tomb, just conflicting stories explaining his disappearance. Smells of adlibbed fabrication.

[1DoubtingThomas]

[Replying to POI in post #1]



JESUS IS A MYTH!


The first mention of the Jesus Character outside of the Pseudo-Christian Jewish Bible, was with Josephus Flavius who was a Roman Jewish Historian, and through "hearsay only and no eyewitness account," Josephus wrote about Jesus in his Antiquities that were written in 97AD mentioning only a Jesus character. The "alleged" Jesus left earth at approximately 33 AD with his ascension skyward (Acts 1:9), whereas Jesus that created mankind, animals, birds, fish, etc., and most importantly, Jesus as God created the 7.7 Billion light year in diameter across universe, was not mentioned in written history until 63 years later in doing the simple math above! ..... Huh?

The above proposition is like Neil Armstrong being the first human to step foot upon the moon on July 21, 1969, and the News Outlets and written history not mentioning this fact until 63 years later!

The above factual proposition is a total embarrassment to pseudo-christians, where it is like Jesus as god never existed in the first place ...... *cough.*

There are so many biblical narratives that prove beyond any doubt that the Christian Jewish Bible is a MYTH, and therefore it's lead character Jesus has to be a myth as well.


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[Realworldjack]

[Replying to POI in post #33]

All you are doing here is corrupting/sidetracking this topic. Either spend your energy defending why you believe Jesus cannot be a myth, or please refrain from adding even more irrelevant stuff in this thread.

My friend, I am not simply defending the fact that Jesus was not a myth, I have completely demonstrated that this is not even a possibility, and I have done this by demonstrating the fact that the story of the resurrection could not have possibly been made up. If we know this to be a fact, it eliminates the idea that Jesus may have been a myth. Therefore, you can shut this thread down.

You state your time is so limited, and yet, you spend it with all this nonsense.

I am spending the time I have demonstrating the nonsense, by demonstrating one who admits to simply taking the word of others to be a convinced Christian for decades of their life, who now wants to convince us that it was the thinking process which changed the mind, who now admits they have no arguments of their own, but is simply regurgitating what they have heard from others and cannot defend what they are regurgitating just like when they were a Christian.

If you have a specific beef, create a new thread. We can dish it out there, not here. Just like I did.

My beef right now is to demonstrate that not only is it impossible for one to take the position that Jesus may have been a myth, I am also demonstrating that it is impossible for you to remain agnostic toward the position, and the simple fact that we can know the stories of the resurrection could not have been made up demonstrates this to be the case. I will also go on to say that it is extremely relevant to discuss that this sort of nonsense is coming from one who admits to being convinced a dead man rose from the grave for decades of their life without the use of the mind, who now wants to convince us that it was the use of the mind which caused them to reject what they were once convinced of, who goes on to insist that it is impossible to use reason and come to a different conclusion.

I'm doing no such thing.

My friend you stated that you were "flattered" and it is not me who is flattering you, so you have to be flattering yourself.

I'm objectively thanking you for spending so much time, writing all these textwalls, in response to what I state.

I am not buying this in the least. Rather, I am thinking you are doing all you can to be shed of the facts I am revealing.

I'm doing no such thing. I'm objectively thanking you for spending so much time, writing all these textwalls, in response to what I state.

Again, I am not buying it, but if this is truly the case, you can look forward to much more to come.

You claim you have very limited time, and yet, you are objectively spending much of it on me. So, thank you for that.

This is SO, SO, FUNNY! I am not spending the time on you per se, rather I am spending the time I have exposing the nonsense.

[OneJack]

[Replying to 1DoubtingThomas in post #32]

1. YOUR BIBLICAL DUMBNESS IS SHOWING ONCE AGAIN AT YOUR LAUGHABLE EXPENSE IN THIS QUOTE OF YOURS!: "All you propound here are off the grid opinion about biblical passages not knowing which exactly are the words of God and Jesus and which are not"

OMG, when will your Bible Stupidisms ever end?! Whereas, your serial killer Jesus as God inspired the entire Bibleas shown in the passage below, understood? ...Huh? ... Maybe? ... Just a little bit? ...Yes?

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)

You're more than mature enough to know which tree to bark on for your herbal supplement to boost your memory, aren't you? Don't you ever realize that 2 Timothy 3:16 is allegedly Paul's words? This response further proves your inability to distinguish white lies from plain truth. The topic is 'God and Jesus' words' in the Bible, yet you keep insisting on words that aren't God's or Jesus'; need I remind you that Paul isn't Jesus?

2. YOUR TELLING STATEMENT THAT SLAPS JESUS AS GOD IN THE FACE!!!: "Tell no lies here, why drag Jesus to Johns narratives by saying along with Jesus inspired words in said verse, what and where are the words of Jesus in John 1:1?"

AGAIN, Jesus as God inspired the entire Bible as shown herewith, and therefore includes John 1:1, GET IT BIBLE FOOL?!: And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God. (1 Thessalonians 2:13)

A gullible and undiscerning person can be easily convinced by mere readings and doesn't recognize what's likely just hearsay or rumors compared to the words of a trustworthy Supreme Being who lives forever and ever and from eternity to eternity.

Youre out order by your response Mr. Counsel! Get yourself back on the grid, will you?

3. YOUR EMBARRASSING STATEMENT IN SHOWING THE ATHEISTS THAT YOU CAN'T RELY UPON THE BIBLE BEING TRUE!!!!!: "John 1:1 is allegedly Johns words, which are 50-50 in chances of being true or not and therefore certainty is shaky."

OMG! You can actually state that your Jewish Bible is only a 50-50 chance that John's words are TRUE and therefore shaky???! .... LOL!

Why not?

Therefore, you are admitting that your Jewish Bible, WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD, cannot be trusted whatsoever, way to go

Your phrase in bold letters is nothing but just your OPINION, a lie, which never did the Lord Jesus Christ teach to His disciples.

OneJack! .... Just think, your Jesus as God is watching you denounce and demean his Bible (Hebrews 4:13), where you will pay dearly upon your Judgment Day in going straight to HELL, as the passage below so states where you are guilty of the bold type notions:

JESUS SAID IN YOUR BEHALF: But as for the cowardly, THE FAITHLESS, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIERS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

As long as I don't demean the Living Christ Jesus, who's right here with us, no amount of false accusations against me " even regarding biblical matters like this " will ever stand the test of time."

4.YOUR ONCE AGAIN DUMBFOUNDED STATEMENT:"The Almighty God. Who has seen the Almighty God? No one yet, have you?"

It is truly hard to deal with your complete Bible DUMBNESS, whereas the following biblical characters has seen your Jewish God, therefore you are WRONG AGAIN! ....H-E-L-L-O, anybody home today? ... NOT!

1. Moses saw God's backside: ( Exodus 33:18-23)

2. Since Jesus is God, therefore many saw God, DUH!

3. And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram (Genesis 17:1)

4. And the LORD appeared unto [Isaac] (Genesis 26:2)

5. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. (Genesis 32:30)

6. And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend. (Exodus 33:11)

7. Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel (Exodus 24:9-11)

8. For they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, that thou Lord art seen face to face. (Numbers 14:14)

9. And I [God] will bring you [the Israelites] into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face. (Ezekiel 20:35)

10. I [ Micaiah] saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left. (1 Kings 22:19, 2 Chronicles 18:18)

11. I [Isaiah] saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, .... for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. (Isaiah 6:1-2)

Even your reading comprehension, in this context, seems to be lagging. Those verses you mentioned only prove one thing: God is real and alive, and He's not a myth. But to say they all see God is absurd, because no one can see God and live " haven't you heard and learned that from God the Lord Jesus Christ?

[1213]

Since you believe the Bible is prophetic, and this topic is to demonstrate that Jesus was not a myth, please show me the prophetic Old Testament passage which mentions Jesus's name?

Why?

I think Jesus is the prophet Moses told will come:

Yahweh your God will raise up to you a prophet from among you, of your brothers, like me. You shall listen to him.
Deut. 18:15 (Acts 7:37)

[POI]

[Replying to 1213 in post #39]

Again, where does Moses mention Jesus? Please point me to the verse(s)? I'm still waiting?