The Bible God, the Law Breaker

[POI]

God is claimed to break "natural law" all the time, by walking on water, turning water into wine, raising the rotting dead, turning humans into salt, etc...

For Debate: Does God break all "law", or just some "law"? And if only some, why only some, and not all? Further, what is the point of breaking some "law", and not others? Or maybe, God breaks all "laws", which is why the Bible is illogical, immoral, and defies later human discovery?

Before you answer, a running theme is expressed among many theists... When a skeptic asks a theist, 'can God do anything?", the theist might respond with, "God can only do what is logically possible and/or what is in his moral nature". In essence, God strictly abides by some "law", but not others? By "law", I'm referencing natural law, the laws of logic, moral law, mathematics, and any others I may have missed. I trust you get the gist...?

[POI]

It may be that God brakes all laws and discovery that are wrong.

Didn't God create these laws?

The "laws of nature" are imagined by humans and can be wrong.

God never actually broke 'natural law' in the Bible? (i.e.) When he walked on water, rose folks from the rotting dead, etc?

[1213]

God never actually broke 'natural law' in the Bible? (i.e.) When he walked on water, rose folks from the rotting dead, etc?

I think it was Jesus who did those. But, I don't think any real law was broken then, only what people imagine is possible was broken.

[1213]

[Replying to 1213 in post #8]

Yeah, I don't think laws that humans have invented are divine. But, i don't think the laws in the Bible are human invention.

Then it was divine law, not human law, being divinely countermanded. Even the rabbi in the video admits that.

If you speak about the laws in the Bible, I don't think God has broken them.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to 1213 in post #13]

Then it was divine law, not human law, being divinely countermanded. Even the rabbi in the video admits that.

If you speak about the laws in the Bible, I don't think God has broken them.

In the sermon given by the rabbi, the divine law which is divinely set aside is in the Bible. Just saying, "I don't think so" doesn't get you around that.

[POI]

God never actually broke 'natural law' in the Bible? (i.e.) When he walked on water, rose folks from the rotting dead, etc?

I think it was Jesus who did those. But, I don't think any real law was broken then, only what people imagine is possible was broken.

Walking on top of water (which is not frozen), and raising the rotting dead are actually not acts which really defy 'natural law'?

[1213]

God never actually broke 'natural law' in the Bible? (i.e.) When he walked on water, rose folks from the rotting dead, etc?

I think it was Jesus who did those. But, I don't think any real law was broken then, only what people imagine is possible was broken.

Walking on top of water (which is not frozen), and raising the rotting dead are actually not acts which really defy 'natural law'?

Yes, they are acts that defy your understanding of reality and what is possible.

[POI]

God never actually broke 'natural law' in the Bible? (i.e.) When he walked on water, rose folks from the rotting dead, etc?

I think it was Jesus who did those. But, I don't think any real law was broken then, only what people imagine is possible was broken.

Walking on top of water (which is not frozen), and raising the rotting dead are actually not acts which really defy 'natural law'?

Yes, they are acts that defy your understanding of reality and what is possible.

Your response makes little sense. IS walking on top of room temperature water and raising dead rotting corpses back to life against the laws of nature, or not?

[1213]

.... IS walking on top of room temperature water and raising dead rotting corpses back to life against the laws of nature, or not?

It is against laws some humans have made up that are not necessary true or correct.

[POI]

.... IS walking on top of room temperature water and raising dead rotting corpses back to life against the laws of nature, or not?

It is against laws some humans have made up that are not necessary true or correct.

Your answer still leads to confusion. Please do not be concerned with the 'label'. Science demonstrates that boundaries exist to 'natural law'. And in this case, humans cannot walk on room temperature water or bring rotting corpses back to life. IS it possible for humans to break 'natural law'? Yes or no. If yes, please explain how? If no, please explain why God is expressed to break 'natural law', but is said to never break other laws, like the 'laws of logic', 'moral law', or 'mathematical law'? In other words, what is the point of god only breaking 'natural law', but not other 'laws'? Further, is God said to not break (logical or moral or mathematical) "law" because he CAN'T, or because he WON'T?

If you say he can't, then he is not all powerful. If you say he won't, why break some "law", and not others?

[1213]

...Science demonstrates that boundaries exist to 'natural law'. And in this case, humans cannot walk on room temperature water or bring rotting corpses back to life.

Science demonstrates that modern people don't know how to walk on water. It does not demonstrate that it could not be possible for a person who has better understanding of the nature.

IS it possible for humans to break 'natural law'? Yes or no. If yes, please explain how?

Yes, when the natural law is just man made idea that can be wrong.

In other words, what is the point of god only breaking 'natural law', but not other 'laws'?

If God breaks some natural law, I think it shows the law is not correct and true, doesn't really exist.

If God doesn't brake some other law, I believe it is because no good reason to do so.