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Jesus is God - 1 Tim 13 - who is Paul blaspheming against?

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12 I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has given me strength, that he considered me trustworthy, appointing me to his service. 13 Even though I was once a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. 14 The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly, along with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus.
1) So Saul was a top Jew and would never blaspheme against YHWH.

Historical Background: Saul (later Paul) was a Pharisee of the strictest sect, born a Roman citizen but raised in the Jewish tradition of Tarsus. He studied directly under Gamaliel, the grandson of Hillel and one of the most revered rabbis in the Sanhedrin (Acts 22:3; cf. Acts 5:34-39). Gamaliel's school emphasized meticulous Torah observance, and Saul describes himself as "advancing in Judaism beyond many of my own age among my people, so extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers" (Galatians 1:14, emphasis added).
Zeal Against "Blasphemy": As a Pharisee, Saul's mission was to purge Israel of anything that could defile the covenant or dishonor YHWH. Blasphemy was the ultimate Jewish taboo—punishable by stoning (Leviticus 24:16; cf. the trial of Jesus in Mark 14:64). Saul hunted perceived blasphemers: "I persecuted the followers of this Way to their death... I went to foreign cities to imprison many... I cast my vote against them when they were put to death" (Acts 26:10-11; cf. Acts 8:1-3; 9:1-2). He saw himself as God's enforcer, breathing "threats and murder against the disciples" (Acts 9:1).
Key Implication: A man like Saul would never intentionally blaspheme YHWH. His actions were the opposite: hyper-vigilant defense of God's honor. If he thought he was serving God, he couldn't have been blaspheming—unless his target wasn't just a "false messiah" but God incarnate.

2) Paul's Post-Conversion Confession—"I Was Once a Blasphemer" (1 Timothy 1:13)
The Text in Context: In 1 Timothy 1:12-14, Paul thanks Christ for his mercy, then pivots to his past: "Even though I was once a blasphemer (blasphēmos) and a persecutor and a violent man, I was shown mercy because I acted in ignorance and unbelief. The grace of our Lord was poured out on me abundantly..."This isn't casual regret; it's a radical re-evaluation. Paul isn't confessing generic sins—he's using loaded Jewish terminology. Blasphēmia in the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament) and rabbinic thought always targets God directly: cursing His name, attributing evil to Him, or rejecting His revelation (e.g., Numbers 15:30; 2 Kings 19:4).
Cross-reference Acts 9:4-5 (Saul's Damascus Road encounter): Jesus asks, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" Saul's reply—"Who are you, Lord?"—reveals the divine identity. Jesus identifies as the one Saul is attacking.

3) The Twist: As Saul, he believed he was honoring YHWH by crushing the "Nazarene sect" (Acts 24:5). But now, he sees those actions as blasphemy against God. Why? Because the early church's message was that Jesus is YHWH's divine presence (e.g., Jesus' claims in John 8:58; 10:30). Persecuting Christians = persecuting the body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27), which Paul now equates with assaulting God Himself.

4)The Paradox Resolved: How could a Gamaliel-trained Pharisee blaspheme without knowing it? Only if his "zeal" was misdirected at the wrong target—God Himself in the person of Jesus. Paul isn't saying he slandered YHWH's name verbally; he's saying his violent opposition to Jesus was, in truth, reviling the divine Son. This mirrors Jesus' warning: "Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven" (Matthew 12:32). Paul's ignorance (v. 13) echoes this—his "unbelief" blinded him to Jesus' deity.

How could a devout, elite Pharisee like Saul—trained under Gamaliel, fiercely zealous for the honor of YHWH, and utterly committed to stamping out anything he saw as blasphemy against God—ever describe his own past actions as blasphemy (1 Timothy 1:13)?He wasn't casually sinning or attacking some random group. As Saul, he believed he was defending God's name by persecuting Christians—breathing threats and murder against them (Acts 9:1), approving their executions (Acts 26:10), and hunting them to foreign cities. A man of his background and training would never knowingly blaspheme YHWH; that was the very crime he was trying to eradicate!So how can Paul, looking back, honestly call himself a 'blasphemer' unless the one he was actually opposing—Jesus—was God Himself?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Jesus is God - 1 Tim 13 - who is Paul blaspheming against?

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Peace to you Bruce,

I am content to continue our discussion if you are, but I do not understand statements like this one:
BruceLeiter wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 11:10 am [Replying to tam in post #19]

@tam, instead of trying to rationalize the Bible to fit your own reasoning that emphasizes some passages and disregards or explains away others, you might just try to take it on its own terms.
Just because I am not taking the word of other men and their rationalization, does not mean that I am "rationalizing the bible to fit my own reasoning."

This is what I said:

I am not relying upon my own reasoning (or the reasoning of other men, religion.)

I am relying upon Christ.

I don't know anything; I need to listen to Him.

He is the Truth.


Christ teaches that He is the Son of God. I am taking Him at His word.
I mean that you might revisit my #14 post and see that Jesus talks about and prays to his Father in heaven, claims also to be God with his Father with his seven "I am" statements, and refers to the Holy Spirit as another Person of God.


"I am the Light."
"I am the Truth."
"I am the Way."
"I am the Life."
"I am the Resurrection."
"I am God's Son."
"I am before Abraham."
"I am the Good Shepherd."
"I am the bread that comes down from heaven."


Just because someone begins a sentence with "I am" does not mean that they are claiming to be [YHWH].

Do you know what He never says in all these statements?

"I am... God."

(Nor does He ever state that He is Almighty God, or the Most Holy One of Israel - titles that very clearly belong to [YHWH], to His Father.)

Men have taken His words and imposed their own understanding/meaning upon those words.

But those men are not the ones to whom God told us to listen.

Luke 9:35


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[Replying to tam in post #31]

Okay, @tam, I'll share with you the evidence of Scripture that makes Jesus' "I am" statements to be his claims to be God.

First, he uses the Greek phrase "ego eimi" to make all those claims, meaning "I-I-am." Why would he repeat the "I" when he could just say "eimi," which means "I am"?

Second, the Greek, Old Testament Septuagint was translated at least two centuries before the time of Christ.

Third, therefore, Jesus had full knowledge of its Greek translation.

Fourth, his "ego eimi" is a direct quote of God's naming himself in the Septuagint version of Exodus 3:14:

Exo 3:13  Then Moses said to God, “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” 
Exo 3:14  God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 
Exo 3:15  God also said to Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations. 

Fifth, thus, Jesus' seven "I am" directly claim that he is the God of the burning bush and the covenant God of Israel.

Sixth, he also claims to be the "good Shepherd" and thereby identifies himself with David's Shepherd in Psalm 23:1, though Jesus is a carpenter before his ministry.

Seventh, he claims to be the Source of resurrection life; only God can give people life in any form.

Eighth, these are just some of the ways Jesus claims to be God with the Father and the Holy Spirit in the Gospel of John.

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Peace to you,
BruceLeiter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2026 4:18 pm [Replying to tam in post #31]

Okay, @tam, I'll share with you the evidence of Scripture that makes Jesus' "I am" statements to be his claims to be God.

First, he uses the Greek phrase "ego eimi" to make all those claims, meaning "I-I-am." Why would he repeat the "I" when he could just say "eimi," which means "I am"?
Why did Peter at Acts 10:21? "I am (ego eimi) the one you're looking for."

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/act ... nc_1028021

Or the Centurian at Matthew 8:9?

"I am (ego eimi) a man under authority..."

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat ... onc_937009

Second, the Greek, Old Testament Septuagint was translated at least two centuries before the time of Christ.

Third, therefore, Jesus had full knowledge of its Greek translation.

Fourth, his "ego eimi" is a direct quote of God's naming himself in the Septuagint version of Exodus 3:14:

Fifth, thus, Jesus' seven "I am" directly claim that he is the God of the burning bush and the covenant God of Israel.
All of these depend upon the first point being correct, but it is not.

The first point cannot mean that the person speaking is claiming to be [YHWH]. Or Peter, the Centurion (and others such as Paul) would have been making that same claim.

(Just to add one more point - the people listening to Him speak did not conclude that He was claiming to be YHWH. This is something that men came up with much much later.)
Sixth, he also claims to be the "good Shepherd" and thereby identifies himself with David's Shepherd in Psalm 23:1, though Jesus is a carpenter before his ministry.
He is the Son and Heir of God. A Son and Heir inherits titles and positions and duties. He even said that His Father is the One who gave the sheep TO Him.

Just because Christ is the good Shepherd does not mean that He is claiming to be [YHWH.] He is doing what a Shepherd does (a good shepherd, rather than the hired hand who runs away at the first sign of danger.) He cares for His sheep, looks for the lost, feeds them, calls them by name, leads them, and protects them.

Seventh, he claims to be the Source of resurrection life; only God can give people life in any form.
But this (the part I bolded) is not what Christ says. It is something that men say.

Christ said this:

Truly, truly, I tell you, the hour is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26For as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted the Son to have life in Himself.



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BruceLeiter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2026 10:26 am [Replying to 1213 in post #4]

In addition to the verse that shows Jesus was a human, @1213, he also says that Jesus was both God in rising from the dead and man in dying for us with his letter to the Colossians, as follows:

Col 1:15  He is the image of the invisible God...
How can Jesus be the God, if he is the image of God?
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BruceLeiter wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2026 10:33 am [Replying to 1213 in post #10]

You're trying reason out a mystery, @1213, which is not possible since God is, in some ways, mysterious to us. He is one God in three Persons, and Jesus is fully human in dying on the cross for us and fully divine in rising from the dead, another mystery that the Scriptures present but do not solve for us. Maybe someday we will know more when Jesus comes back.
How can you say it is a mystery and at the same time know I am wrong?

I think the Bible is very clear and not mysterious.
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[Replying to 1213 in post #34]

As one Person of the three Persons of God, @1213, he is fully God; as the Son of God, who is also fully human, he is the image of God the Father. In the New Testament, the title "God" clearly refers to God the Father, whereas Jesus is often referred to as the "Lord." Those ideas don't fit our human logic, but they do fit God's divine logic, which is far superior to ours.

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[Replying to Wootah in post #1]

@Wootah, the title of this thread confused me, because there is no 13th chapter of 1 Timothy, until I discovered that it is 1 Timothy 1:13. I don't know if you change it, but it would clear up any new people's confusion. Thanks, brother.

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Jesus use of "ego eimi" is uniquely divine, @tam, since his use is the only one that uses a metaphor comparing himself with tangible objects like the only door to the sheep pen, people like David's "good Shepherd," and spiritual realities such as resurrection life of which he is the Source ("I am the resurrection and the life"). The sum total of his references leads to the required conclusion that he is claiming to be fully divine, as he is also fully human.

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So, do you disagree with me that only God can give life in any form, @tam? Sure, he uses a husband and a wife as his means to produce a baby, but the Bible says that God is the ultimate Source of all life. And Jesus is claiming to be God with his Father and the Spirit, who is the one God in three Persons and who gives life--the Father through Jesus by the Spirit, the way he does all his actions.

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BruceLeiter wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2026 10:49 am [Replying to 1213 in post #34]

As one Person of the three Persons of God, @1213, he is fully God; as the Son of God, who is also fully human, he is the image of God the Father. In the New Testament, the title "God" clearly refers to God the Father, whereas Jesus is often referred to as the "Lord." Those ideas don't fit our human logic, but they do fit God's divine logic, which is far superior to ours.
I agree that God is far superior than us. But, what you say about God and Jesus, seems to be your logic, not what is said in the Bible. For me it is enough to remain in what is actually said in the Bible. For me it is logical and I don't see any problem with it, or anything illogical.
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