What did Jesus create?

[snowbound]

It's my belief as well as the belief of many others that Jesus only created this 'earth' and this earth only. It's possible that he didn't even create this entire solar system, but God the Father did. God allowed Jesus to 'design' this planet and this planet only. I'm convinced that when we look up and see the trillions of 'suns' many of them have or likely have had inhabited 'earths' - and likely with humans on them. Possibly some of them have humans larger than us. Possible and in my view, likely the same.

No doubt God is still in the creation business. When this 'earth' reaches its end, God will create more 'earths' and my guess is they likely all FELL and needed a Savior. That Savior would likely be another fully human being like our Jesus was.

In my view it's illogical to believe we are the only human creation among trillions of stars AND trillions of galaxies.

https://www.thoughtco.com/galaxy-types- ... on-3072058

[NeutralZone]

The translators of the New World translation slanted the texts away from the Greek and Hebrew meanings to support their attempts to protect their prior assumptions in reasoning away the doctrines of the Trinity and the full humanity and full deity of Jesus, @NeutralZone. Those beliefs are based squarely on the Bible, especially the Gospel of John, which I could quote in full, but this post would get a little long.

That's the false claim that I get from Trinitarians all the time, BruceLeiter. Keep in mind that those same Trinitarians who make false statements about the New World Translation (translated by Jehovah's Witnesses) have no problem using Bibles that were translated by Trinitarians who manipulated scripture by capitalizing words that should not be capitalized and inserting commas at the wrong places in order to deceive the gullible.




NeutralZone

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". . . be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath. . . . " (James 1:19-20)

[NeutralZone]

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
Joh 1:4  In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 

By the way, BruceLeiter, the verses at John 1:1, 2, and 4 do not support Christendom's Trinity. Look at the words that I bolded and reddened within your above quotation. Verses 1 and 2 inform the reader that the spirit person called "the Word" aka Jesus Christ had a beginning. Scripture says God does not have a beginning.

New International Version -- Psalm 90:2
"Before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."
https://biblehub.com/niv/psalms/90.htm


Now, take a look at your quotation of John 1:14. It says the Word aka Jesus Christ became flesh. Scripture says God is not a man.

Numbers 23:19 -- New Living Translation
"God is not a man, so he does not lie. He is not human, so he does not change his mind. Has he ever spoken and failed to act? Has he ever promised and not carried it through?"
https://biblehub.com/nlt/numbers/23.htm


Jesus became human after his spirit life was transferred into the womb of Mary; remember?


NeutralZone

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". . . be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath. . . . " (James 1:19-20)

[NeutralZone]

NeutralZone:

Who do you think Jehovah is in the Old Testament? It's the one who created "All things" in heaven and earth, VISIBLE AND INVISIBLE." It's the Son of God, our Savior, our Redeemer.

You are confusing the Word with Jesus!

The Word is God:

John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him (the Word); and without him was not any thing made that was made.



The Word made flesh was the man Jesus:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, . . . (John 1:14)

A man did not create the heavens and/or the Earth!

God did!!

But Jesus (the "Word made flesh") was born billions of years after the original creation.

The confusion is yours, myth-one.com.

Jehovah aka YHWH is the Almighty God and the only Creator. He created Jesus who is referred to at John 1:1 as "the Word."


NeutralZone


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". . . be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath. . . . " (James 1:19-20)

[Capbook]

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God. 
Joh 1:3  All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 
Joh 1:4  In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 

Joh 1:14  And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 

By the way, BruceLeiter, the verses at John 1:1, 2, and 4 do not support Christendom's Trinity. Look at the words that I bolded and reddened within your above quotation. Verses 1 and 2 inform the reader that the spirit person called "the Word" aka Jesus Christ had a beginning. Scripture says God does not have a beginning.

NetralZone, again you just made a big mistake by stating "Scriptures says God does not have a beginning."
Just read Rev 22:13, and know how the Arians misled you NeutralZone.
By the Arians interpretation they also made the Almighty had a beginning.

[Rev 1:8  “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” 
Rev 22:13  “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.” 

[BruceLeiter]

[Replying to NeutralZone in post #91]

Please give specific examples, @NeutralZone, instead of generalizations so that we can discuss them.

[placebofactor]

The translators of the New World translation slanted the texts away from the Greek and Hebrew meanings to support their attempts to protect their prior assumptions in reasoning away the doctrines of the Trinity and the full humanity and full deity of Jesus, @NeutralZone. Those beliefs are based squarely on the Bible, especially the Gospel of John, which I could quote in full, but this post would get a little long.

That's the false claim that I get from Trinitarians all the time, BruceLeiter. Keep in mind that those same Trinitarians who make false statements about the New World Translation (translated by Jehovah's Witnesses) have no problem using Bibles that were translated by Trinitarians who manipulated scripture by capitalizing words that should not be capitalized and inserting commas at the wrong places in order to deceive the gullible.




NeutralZone

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". . . be swift about hearing, slow about speaking, slow about wrath. . . . " (James 1:19-20)

You sound as if you're smarter than the 60 great theologians who worked on the King James Bible over 400 years ago, and the tens of thousands of theologians who followed after them who critiqued their work. You criticize them, and I would bet, at this moment, if asked, you couldn't name one and give his credentials as a linguist and theologian, yet you sit there like some sort of Savant and criticize them. You don't know what you're talking about. Anyone who wishes can check out their credentials concerning their qualifications, education, and dedication, but you won't because your organization forbids you to.

The New World Translation, since 1971, has had 3 copyrights, meaning they changed their minds about certain doctrines, claiming new light. NO, it wasn't new light, it was an attempt to patch up the holes in Watchtower teaching. My Bible said, God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow; he doesn't change; men and organizations change, not God. Give me the names and qualifications of those who translated your New World Translation. I can tell you who they were, they were all Jehovah's Witnesses with an agenda under the watchful eye of their Jehovah's Witness leader, Nathan H. Knorr, who was elected President after Rutherford died. He decided the King James Bible and other Bibles were to much to overcome, so they had to change and rewrite a new Bible. I'm waiting for your 4th edition of New Light; it should be a lou-lou.

[myth-one.com]

The confusion is yours, myth-one.com.

Jehovah aka YHWH is the Almighty God and the only Creator.

That's correct.

He created Jesus who is referred to at John 1:1 as "the Word."

The Word is God! Jesus was never the Word.

Jesus was the Word made flesh -- which was a man, not God.

John 1:1 does not even mention Jesus:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

Jesus (the Word made flesh) did not exist until John 1:14:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)

[Capbook]

The confusion is yours, myth-one.com.

Jehovah aka YHWH is the Almighty God and the only Creator.

That's correct.

He created Jesus who is referred to at John 1:1 as "the Word."

The Word is God! Jesus was never the Word.

Jesus was the Word made flesh -- which was a man, not God.

John 1:1 does not even mention Jesus:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

Jesus (the Word made flesh) did not exist until John 1:14:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)

Myth-one.com, would you believe that the Word's God nature ceased in Jesus, when He became flesh?
The Word being God, like the Father, can the Father ceased to be God?

[myth-one.com]

The confusion is yours, myth-one.com.

Jehovah aka YHWH is the Almighty God and the only Creator.

That's correct.

He created Jesus who is referred to at John 1:1 as "the Word."

The Word is God! Jesus was never the Word.

Jesus was the Word made flesh -- which was a man, not God.

John 1:1 does not even mention Jesus:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

Jesus (the Word made flesh) did not exist until John 1:14:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)

Myth-one.com, would you believe that the Word's God nature ceased in Jesus, when He became flesh?

Absolutely not! The Word exists as God throughout all time. But Jesus was never the Word!

The Word being God, like the Father, can the Father ceased to be God?

I don't think God can cease to be God.

There are things God cannot do.

God cannot lie is another example.

[Capbook]

The confusion is yours, myth-one.com.

Jehovah aka YHWH is the Almighty God and the only Creator.

That's correct.

He created Jesus who is referred to at John 1:1 as "the Word."

The Word is God! Jesus was never the Word.

Jesus was the Word made flesh -- which was a man, not God.

John 1:1 does not even mention Jesus:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)

Jesus (the Word made flesh) did not exist until John 1:14:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)

Myth-one.com, would you believe that the Word's God nature ceased in Jesus, when He became flesh?

Absolutely not! The Word exists as God throughout all time. But Jesus was never the Word!

The Word being God, like the Father, can the Father ceased to be God?

I don't think God can cease to be God.

There are things God cannot do.

God cannot lie is another example.

Since the Word's God nature would not ceased.
Who was Jesus before became flesh?
When the Word became flesh, is His God nature ceased in Jesus?
If the Word is not in Jesus when becoming flesh, where do you believe God the Word was when Jesus lived on earth?