John 3:16

[Udanor]

John 3:16, For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

A question that has been brought up about this is..

Can you be a horrible person and still be a christian?

We know that Jesus died for are sins, and so we are forgiven.

Lets say, this guy belives in Jesus with his whole hart and belives he is a christian, but he was a horrible sinner...

He comites adultery almost every night, he is a thief,lier, even murderer...
But he does this knowing that Jesus will forgive him...

Lets say Hitler believed in Jesus! Would he get to heaven?

Im wondering how hard we have to be on are selfs when it comes to sinning? Jesus will forgive us anyway right?

[crystalmage]

I believe that god loves is unconditional. I disagree with the idea that you have to earn gods love. That you have to prove that you are good enough. That you have to deserve it. In my opinion christians slander god by promoting such ideas.

[crystalmage]

Wow according to your statistics muslims and chrisitans make up over 50% of religions people. Now their are 2 religions from the same source that directly contradict.

Christians say the messiah came once muslims say he came twice. If the muslims are right all the christians are going to roast.

[john_anthony_gonzalez]

A question that has been brought up about this is..

Can you be a horrible person and still be a christian?

yes but you would probably be called a horrible christian

We know that Jesus died for are sins, and so we are forgiven.

Lets say, this guy belives in Jesus with his whole hart and belives he is a christian, but he was a horrible sinner

He comites adultery almost every night, he is a thief,lier, even murderer...
But he does this knowing that Jesus will forgive him...

Lets say Hitler believed in Jesus! Would he get to heaven?

The man still will suffer reap and sewing consequences but since he's saved he will still go to heaven. Are you saying what if hitler believed in jesus or accepted jesus as his savior. But if he accepted Jesus as his savior then he would go to heaven. Because its just that simple

Im wondering how hard we have to be on are selfs when it comes to sinning? Jesus will forgive us anyway right?

every sin has consequences. Their are benefits and rewards for being an obediant believer. Christ died with all of humanities sins past present and future so no matter what we do it will never catch him off guard. All we have to do is ask for forgiveness after were saved to be at right with God, and all a person has to do to go to heaven is believe in Christ for eternal life.

[Onorc]

A question that has been brought up about this is..

Can you be a horrible person and still be a christian?

yes but you would probably be called a horrible christian

We know that Jesus died for are sins, and so we are forgiven.

Lets say, this guy belives in Jesus with his whole hart and belives he is a christian, but he was a horrible sinner

He comites adultery almost every night, he is a thief,lier, even murderer...
But he does this knowing that Jesus will forgive him...

Lets say Hitler believed in Jesus! Would he get to heaven?

The man still will suffer reap and sewing consequences but since he's saved he will still go to heaven. Are you saying what if hitler believed in jesus or accepted jesus as his savior. But if he accepted Jesus as his savior then he would go to heaven. Because its just that simple

Im wondering how hard we have to be on are selfs when it comes to sinning? Jesus will forgive us anyway right?

every sin has consequences. Their are benefits and rewards for being an obediant believer. Christ died with all of humanities sins past present and future so no matter what we do it will never catch him off guard. All we have to do is ask for forgiveness after were saved to be at right with God, and all a person has to do to go to heaven is believe in Christ for eternal life.

So basically there is going to be a hierarchy in heaven with God at the top and if Hitler would have been a Christian he would be close to the bottom?

[jeremiah]

I ask myself while reading these and hearing people at church and what not: "why is it that Christianity appears so one-sided? Why is it that Christians seem to always think that humanity is at it's worse when they believe that we are created in the image of God and saved by the sacrifical death of Christ? Why is that we claim that there is new life when we preach so much about Sin and Death when we need to focus more on the life God has for us through Christ? And I'm not talking about the prosperity gospel junk, that's a farse." I know that there are verses in the Bible about "man's inhumanity to man", sin and death and stuff like that, but there are so many more about the new person and the hope that mankind has in God. why is it in Christian doctrine that only the sin nature and salvation are mentioned and nothing about the new life or the way we are to be or become? Nothing at all to help us and reveal to us what we are to do here on earth, yeah sure there are things here and there in books, but those are so secondary, when they shouldn't be.

[Bart007]

[realthinker]

We, who are Christians, are no longer under the Mosaic Covenant. We can still agree, as people in Hammurabi's day did also, that things like shaming ones parents, stealing, the taking of an innocent life, coveting, etc., are causes of pain, hurt and suffering. But the keeping of them is not the basis of our redemption, salvation, and righteousness.

I agree with your recognition of the items from Hammurabi's code that have been further exhibited in law throughout history. The only reason I'd think I need to be redeemed or saved though is because the church is selling redemption and salvation. I don't let car salespeople sell me undercoating. I don't buy Oxy-clean, ginsu knives or space bags off of TV because they tell me I need them. I don't think I should accept the same coercive tactics from the church because it's religion. With regard to righteousness, I let my relationships with my family and my community portray my righteousness. That's all the judgment I need.

[jeremiah]

Yes, some of the Ten Commandments overlap Hammurabi's Code. It does not take any special insight for humankind to realize that shaming ones parents, stealing, the taking of an innocent life, coveting, etc., are causes of pain, hurt and suffering. I happen to believe that from Noah, that early civilizations consisted of rather moral people and that the growth of unethical conduct (sin) has been on the increase, more or less, ever since.

Even if people credit the Hammurabi code as containing many statutes found in the later written Mosaic Law, these laws, of themselves, are useless in regards with respect to making people righteous.

I believe what all you have said here, I have a few questions in two other places. Matter of fact I have come to find out that the letter to the Romans is a very important one to Christians, although we do not know the power behind those words and that they are important to know. So often Romans is said to be "hard to understand". I think they just don't want to bother with it. They are happy with just thinking it is to "mysterious", whatever that means (sarcasm). So what are these "new laws" that you speak of? I am not sure why you speak of the Hammurabi code, or laws. I have come across them before in my searching. And if you say that you think that people were basically good from the time of Noah, God chose to destroy mankind save but Noah and his family, why would he do that? Just a question, curious about your answer.

This prophecy, along with many others to follow, focuses on that male descendant, the seed of Eve, who will crush the skull of the serpent, who will be a great blessing to Israel and the peoples of the world, the redeemer, the Saviour, the Messiah.

Very good, focusing on the seed of the woman. Although the seed comes from the man into the woman, the baby comes from the female. It is interesting that the heritage line, at least in my research, in Judaism comes through the mother rather then the father. My sources might be a little iffy, but I do not recall them right now. It is 12:30 a.m.!

We, who are Christians, are no longer under the Mosaic Covenant. We can still agree, as people in Hammurabi's day did also, that things like shaming ones parents, stealing, the taking of an innocent life, coveting, etc., are causes of pain, hurt and suffering. But the keeping of them is not the basis of our redemption, salvation, and righteousness. As it is written in Hebrews, Yeshua is a High Priest, not of the order of Aaron, but of Melchizedek, Where there is a change of Priesthood, there is also a change of Law. Whereas the Mosaic law was a long list of commandments and statutes that we were required to keep, The laws of Christ keep us and accounts to us righteousness.

As far as to my knowledge, the Christians, those who have accepted the Jewish Messiah, according to the Christian mind, were never under the Mosaic Covenant to begin with. Usually when we speak of Christians, we are reffering to the gentile people, those who are not Jewish. So, correct me if I might be wrong, but when were the Christians ever under the Mosiac Covenant?

[Goat]

Very good, focusing on the seed of the woman. Although the seed comes from the man into the woman, the baby comes from the female. It is interesting that the heritage line, at least in my research, in Judaism comes through the mother rather then the father. My sources might be a little iffy, but I do not recall them right now. It is 12:30 a.m.!

Not quite true. The child is considered JEWISH if the mother is Jewish, but the bloodline counts from the father. The bloodlines were so very important to the
ancient Hebrews that the bloodline of an adopted child was their biological fathers
bloodline, not the adoptive fathers bloodline.

This is considered today, when only the Cohan and the Levine know their bloodline. To be a Cohan or a Levine , your biological father has to be one.

[jeremiah]

Not quite true. The child is considered JEWISH if the mother is Jewish, but the bloodline counts from the father. The bloodlines were so very important to the
ancient Hebrews that the bloodline of an adopted child was their biological fathers
bloodline, not the adoptive fathers bloodline.

This is considered today, when only the Cohan and the Levine know their bloodline. To be a Cohan or a Levine , your biological father has to be one.

I knew something was a little off last night. This confirms it. It is interesting how the two parents play an important role in the identity of the chld though. I do like that. So what about my other two questions?