There is no rational reason to stop same sex marriage

[Evales]

It's hard for me to view homosexuality as that bad of a thing if someone is born to be that way. I could not judge them against it if they were born that way.

Ok, but what if it turns out to be entirely a matter of choice? Would you judge them against it then? If so, what harm, to others or themselves, would you invoke?

Homosexuality

Point 1) If biological it is something that God created and thus we should not be punished for it since it is natural.

Point 2) That being even if it is still a sin (or not biological) the people who commit acts of homosexuality are fully allowed (by God) to commit as many sins as they like. God gave us the freedom of choice to commit sins or to chose to follow him how we like.

Point 3) Also since not everyone believes there is an afterlife we have no reason to stop them from committing these "sins" if they do not hurt anyone. The only person they hurt is themselves (according to theists) because they will then go to Hell, a place that they do not even believe exists.


There is no rational reason for us to stop same sex marriage.
Throughout history ignorant and oppressive people have stopped certain minorities from gaining certain rights but we see a trend that these minorities are gradually allowed these rights.

To be honest I'm surprised we still oppress homosexuals and bisexuals. How archaic.

[Thought Criminal]

Refusing to vote "yes" is still an example of acting on your prejudice.

Or again, refusing to vote "yes" can be seen as an example of the courage for a man or woman to dare to do what they think and feel is the truth...despite the world tossing ridicule, name-calling, anger or even hate at them.

In the real world, it's not just an opinion poll. Refusing to grant people the legal right to marriage hurts them.

TC

[TMMaria]

Refusing to vote "yes" is still an example of acting on your prejudice.

Or again, refusing to vote "yes" can be seen as an example of the courage for a man or woman to dare to do what they think and feel is the truth...despite the world tossing ridicule, name-calling, anger or even hate at them.

In the real world, it's not just an opinion poll. Refusing to grant people the legal right to marriage hurts them.

TC

It's very good intention of you to live by the "do no harm" law. But those of us who has knowledge of God also know there's greater harm if we go against God's Divine Plan and the Truth engraved in our hearts.

But perhaps someday we may be able to discuss in that same paradigm and in the same plane what that greater harm is....but seeing our not-yet reconciled differences, I doubt if we're ready for such a discussion.

[Thought Criminal]

It's very good intention of you to live by the "do no harm" law. But those of us who has knowledge of God also know there's greater harm if we go against God's Divine Plan and the Truth engraved in our hearts.

But perhaps someday we may be able to discuss in that same paradigm and in the same plane what that greater harm is....but seeing our not-yet reconciled differences, I doubt if we're ready for such a discussion.

I'm not telling you what you can do in your church. In fact, your church is free to perform weddings solely for heterosexual couples who follow whatever your beliefs are.

But marriage is a secular matter, not a religious one. If you have no secular basis for depriving couples of legal rights, then you have no choice but to support same-sex marriage even if you personally don't like them.

TC

[TMMaria]

But marriage is a secular matter, not a religious one. If you have no secular basis for depriving couples of legal rights, then you have no choice but to support same-sex marriage even if you personally don't like them.

TC

Now, how can you call me to be one way in church, and to be another way in the society at large? No...I prefer to be the same person I am in church as I am in the secular world. In a democracy, the one freedom we love and hold onto dearly is the choice to live by the truth. Again, since what you hold as truth is different than mine, we should settle it in society in more peaceful ways like voting and accepting the results until further votes should change the law.

[Thought Criminal]

Now, how can you call me to be one way in church, and to be another way in the society at large? No...I prefer to be the same person I am in church as I am in the secular world. In a democracy, the one freedom we love and hold onto dearly is the choice to live by the truth. Again, since what you hold as truth is different than mine, we should settle it in society in more peaceful ways like voting and accepting the results until further votes should change the law.

Because it's the compromise that our society is based on. You get freedom of religion; the government doesn't tell you what to worship. But the government also gets freedom of religion; your church doesn't tell it what to do. The public forum is necessarily secular because, unlike your church, there is no creed that we all share. Instead, we must be able to justify our actions as public citizens on purely nonreligious grounds. You lack any such grounds for your opposition to same-sex marriage.

TC

[TMMaria]

Instead, we must be able to justify our actions as public citizens on purely nonreligious grounds. You lack any such grounds for your opposition to same-sex marriage.

TC

hmmm....it seems to me the "grounds" you stand on are different than mine. Since you do not know the God and live not in His ways...you cannot see this side of the ground....you may justify your actions to whatever grounds you think is good...

but we have the right to justify ours on different grounds...and as "public citizens" of the human race, avoid the greater harm....again, lovingly. let homosexual people chose to live in union with each other, and no one should be dragging them out of their homes and persecute them. But to institute it into the marriage institution...different from what God calls marriage to be, well, that's another matter.

observing the respect for others' belief is also the compromise with which we have to live with in order to live with each other peacefully in a free society.

[TMMaria]

Instead, we must be able to justify our actions as public citizens on purely nonreligious grounds. You lack any such grounds for your opposition to same-sex marriage.

TC

hmmm....it seems to me the "grounds" you stand on are different than mine. Since you do not know God and live not in His ways...you cannot see this side of the ground....you may justify your actions to whatever grounds you think is good...

but we have the right to justify ours on different grounds...and as "public citizens" of the human race, avoid the greater harm....again, lovingly. let homosexual people chose to live in union with each other, and no one should be dragging them out of their homes and persecute them. But to institute it into the marriage institution...different from what God calls marriage to be, well, that's another matter.

observing the respect for others' belief is also the compromise with which we have to live with in order to live with each other peacefully in a free society.

[Thought Criminal]

hmmm....it seems to me the "grounds" you stand on are different than mine. Since you do not know the God and live not in His ways...you cannot see this side of the ground....you may justify your actions to whatever grounds you think is good...

but we have the right to justify ours on different grounds...and as "public citizens" of the human race, avoid the greater harm....again, lovingly. let homosexual people chose to live in union with each other, and no one should be dragging them out of their homes and persecute them. But to institute it into the marriage institution...different from what God calls marriage to be, well, that's another matter.

observing the respect for others' belief is also the compromise with which we have to live with in order to live with each other peacefully in a free society.

God can call marriage whatever he likes... in his church. But marriage is a legal status, not a religious one.

Let me give you a simple example of the harm you're causing. I know an American who's in love with an Australian who lives and works in America. If the Australian loses his job, he can be deported. The obvious answer is marriage. Unfortunately, this isn't legally an option.

TC

[JoeyKnothead]

I think its a crying shame folks would use religion to couch their bigotry. To call theirs a loving God, and then deny the rights of others is hypocrisy at its worst. While never being able to show what harm homosexual marriage would cause, only that Jeebus don't like it is cowardly.

The greater harm in not allowing homosexuals to marry is the suppression of peoples freedoms. This harm is greater than the harm any idea[/a] could ever cause. Its downright shameful that folks who are so indoctrinated in their hate would call their hatred God inspired.

Bigotry is bigotry, whether its God doing it, or some whackaloon fundamentalist. Come, leave the stone age, come join us here in the twenty first century.

Quit hiding behind religion, open your heart, learn to love people.

[OnceConvinced]

Refusing to vote "yes" is still an example of acting on your prejudice.

If that is the case (which I don't believe it is) then I shall continue to "act on prejudice". That's the best you're gonna get from me at the moment.