can you be Christian and bI?

[rapture101]

i know this sounds weird.One of the people I go to school with asked me this questian.So I became a little weird about it.I couldnt find the amswer.So what are your oppions?

[AlAyeti]

"Homosexual people are too often mistreated in this society (and the world). And if something being "Christian" means that it must cause great pain to homosexual people (to convince them to change), then I think that needs to be scrutinized (reviewed) as much as anything "religious" has ever been."

Mel,

There never seems to be an end to this discussion and argument. But if Jesus said that we are not married or given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven, then freedom from the sexual drive is something we can look forward to in eternity. Certainly the greatest accomplishments in the history of mankind have been acheived outside of the bedroom. Unless of course the pro-creation of a great person (exclusive to heterosexuals) is included in a list of accomplishments.

I think the most important thing about God and a relationship with God is "DOES GOD LIKE ME?" It is clear that Jesus "liked" the people He spent time with.

Love is a given as is love from any parent. But "liking" a person is another thing.

If I had a heart attack would I care what the paramedic arriving on the scene does at night sexually?

If I was saved by the excellence of that medical person would I not appreciate them?

Homosexuals frame every single aspect of the issue in sexual freedom. Literally the right to do sex acts!

Christians have put the sexuality issue in a proper place. Privacy.

If I am singing in a pew next to another person exalting God, why do I need to know what sexual practices defines that individual? In fact even in a locker room sexual escapades gets old.

But, the important disagreement between a Christian and a sinner is the sin. All Christians know that they are sinners. Homosexuals do not accept the label to their behavior. No Christian will ever accept that sin is OK because of a congenital condition anymore than choice behavior.

Unless the "Homosexual Agenda" includes acceptance for others who do not believe the way they do, the wall will never be brought down. In fact it must be built to withstand the inevitable attack on the Church to get access to the children.

The greatest fears held by a Christian is that sin must be - by secualr law - imposed and accepted within the Church AND the CULTURE of Christianty. And that their children will get attacked by anti-Christian people (even within the Church).

That is the only issue of concern between between Christians and the "Homosexual Agenda."

I wish that you get back to a feeling that you are a practicing Christian.

[rapture101]

I dont hate homosexuals.I just want to know if it a sin.

For me I just say,Hey man whatever floats your boat!!!

[melikio]

I wish that you get back to a feeling that you are a practicing Christian.

I AM a Christian (and surely some people would disagree). THAT would be a near-perpetual argument between many.

Even so, I'm not for any "agenda"; I don't PUSH for it and I don't particularly seek to fight it.

How people treat others, will always matter, and no one is sinless.

-Mel-

[rapture101]

id say as a christian,christians are scarred of not pleasing God.

And maybe homosexuals aren't all evil.
Its like you were attacking Mel.
Hes just admending who he is as a person.

Who r u to judge him.
You are not God,


Sory im not trying to be mean Just make my point

[foshizzle]

Too many times, Christians judge people, seeing more obvious sins as worse.

Are homosexual practices a sin? Yes, according to the Bible.

Sadly, that's been argued and thrown in the face of many because a lot of people don't realize that their own sins are equally horrid to God. Any sin is an abomination to the life we were meant to live; homosexuality is just a very obvious and easily targeted sin.

The people we /can/ be seem out of our grasp, they're so far away. Noone is perfect, and the standards we set for others (don't be a homosexual, etc) are pointless, seeing as we haven't lived up to our own. Who is anyone to judge anyone?

Take the plank out of your own eye before you point out the speck in your gay friend's eye .

[melikio]

Mel,

There never seems to be an end to this discussion and argument.

There WON'T be an end to the addressing of abject unfairness, injustice and human cruelty. People aren't going to simply SHUT UP, because it seems convenient to some. Al we can do, is choose to argue or not. But one mistake that is often made, concerns WHAT is being argued period. Sometimes, there are "arguments" about what is actually being argued.

But if Jesus said that we are not married or given in marriage but are like the angels in heaven, then freedom from the sexual drive is something we can look forward to in eternity.

We can look forward to MANY things, besides "freedom from the sexual drive"; yet evern the MOST "holy" heterosexuals aren't free of it yet...so, we have to deal with it period. (And the sales of drugs such as Viagra and Cialis are shunned by those looking forward to "eternity"?) All too often, people try to minimize the reality that is right in our faces, and needs to be addressed right NOW. Homosexuals' issues may be more obvious (because of our social structure, not always spiritual inclinations), but those are hardly the bulk of sexual-morality issues which can be and need to be addressed (even within the church). People need to be HONEST ACROSS THE BOARD, in a practical and effective way; not merely spout off (often in EXTREME ways) about how they view homosexuality. Divorcees and the re-married, aren't POPULAR offenders to discuss (even amongst "Christians"). Why is that? [I wonder (not).]

Certainly the greatest accomplishments in the history of mankind have been acheived outside of the bedroom. Unless of course the pro-creation of a great person (exclusive to heterosexuals) is included in a list of accomplishments.

Some would disagree with you, and they aren't all homosexuals. And seriously, while God may have an unfathomable plan for as yet unborn individuals, the miracle of human birth is one of the most awesome accomplishments of the Living God.

I think the most important thing about God and a relationship with God is "DOES GOD LIKE ME?" It is clear that Jesus "liked" the people He spent time with.

God goes beyond "liking", and LOVES even those we probably don't "like" at all. There is a difference in loving someone and not liking them. And if ALL people got what they deserved (no grace), there would be no one typing here right now (IMHO).

Love is a given as is love from any parent. But "liking" a person is another thing.

I don't think the unmerited favor Jesus represents, factors into your opinion. When it comes to what God did for mankind (John 3:16), it's not as EXCLUSIVE as some Christians try to make it.

If I had a heart attack would I care what the paramedic arriving on the scene does at night sexually?

For most people, probably not.

If I was saved by the excellence of that medical person would I not appreciate them?

I don't know your heart or mind. And I know the vast majority of people would certainly appreciate their skills (at the very least).

Homosexuals frame every single aspect of the issue in sexual freedom. Literally the right to do sex acts!

And heterosexuals haven't thought this way? (Seem stereotypical to you yet? ALL homosexuals as you imply, aren't framing things as you say, anymore than ALL Christians agree with you.)

Christians have put the sexuality issue in a proper place. Privacy.

Just last night, I quietly listened to people I KNOW identify with Christ, talk about sex in ways that I hardly EVER have (if ever). DO NOT assume Christian-heterosexuals always display and maintain the decorum YOU imagine they do; it would be a false assumption. Christians are redeemed, yet very often flawed people (just like everyone else). Closeted gay people are all around you, most likely.

If I am singing in a pew next to another person exalting God, why do I need to know what sexual practices defines that individual? In fact even in a locker room sexual escapades gets old.

Sexual practices have never been mentioned in ANY church I've been in, except during testimonies and sermons. I don't have to consciously think about any of that; but it seems MANY Christians are obsessed with "reminding" gay people of what they amount to. There are so many things for believer to become outraged over, but homosexuality seems to have way too many Christians spellbound over it. People are so frequently FLAUNTING their heterosexuality, it can be annoying at times. Closet heterosexuals, are humble people.

But, the important disagreement between a Christian and a sinner is the sin. All Christians know that they are sinners. Homosexuals do not accept the label to their behavior. No Christian will ever accept that sin is OK because of a congenital condition anymore than choice behavior.

It is broad assumption like this, which makes most thinking people reject what you say. Christians DO sin, so they should know how to be gentle to others, no matter the offense. I don't come in here and say that homosexuality is "OK", then expect Christians to accept that. THAT IS EXTREME and NUTZY behavior, IMO. What I do expect is that "Christians" will not stereotype people, for the purpose of furthering God's work/will. That doesn't add up either.

Unless the "Homosexual Agenda" includes acceptance for others who do not believe the way they do, the wall will never be brought down. In fact it must be built to withstand the inevitable attack on the Church to get access to the children.

LOVE....period, is the ONLY thing that lowers the wall enough for truth to enter hearts in the way it needs to. Jesus could have FORCED anything He wanted to (by for example) controlling the oxygen or gravity in this world. And I have little doubt that some would choke and crush "sinners", if they but had such power. People need to think about being a LOT more like Jesus, when they think about how they believe they should affect unbelievers and fellow sinners. People can ALWAYS beat upon one another (we're all full of faults, Christian or not). But the loving essence surrounding (and weaved into) a true follower of Jesus, is fairly unmistakeable.

The greatest fears held by a Christian is that sin must be - by secualr law - imposed and accepted within the Church AND the CULTURE of Christianty. And that their children will get attacked by anti-Christian people (even within the Church).

When did Jesus use FORCE, to cause acceptance of what He offered mankind? And why do so many religious people use force, as IF He would himself?

That is the only issue of concern between between Christians and the "Homosexual Agenda."

This is not completely true. And who have you proven, adheres to this "Homosexual Agenda" that so many causually refer to (who are the homosexual people who promote this agenda)? I don't have any SET agenda for promoting any sexual-orientation, but I DO have an agenda where it concerns the fair and humane treatment of ALL human beings. I'm sorry if that stands in the way of someone's interpretation of the Bible or other religion. It cannot always be "assumed" (and also be truthful) that the protection of certain human freedoms, is necesarily anti-religious or attached to some imagined "agenda".

I wish that you get back to a feeling that you are a practicing Christian.

And since I don't know you really, I can't tell how true this is; not one iota. My relationship with God, wasn't and isn't based soley upon some "feeling" or emotion; and whatever being a "Christian" is, I don't see how it can be practiced. One is either declared/granted that by God, or they aren't. It's not based upon my opinion of myself or the opinions others try to paste upon me as a person.

Who is good enough, to be truly worthy of the "gift" Jesus offered mankind (on the Cross)?

-Mel-

[AlAyeti]

To say that there is not a homosexual agenda has many conotations to that stated position.

Now the Agenda includes: Gay, Lesbian, Bi-Sexual, Transgendered AND! "Questioning Youth."

That is a declaration of intent and action. That is brazen and aggressive.

Tolerance has met the final straw.

Every child since Cain and Able ARE "Questioning Youth."

The Label "Questioning Youth" is Pedohilia-derived.

Plain and simple, now outside individuals with a set "Agenda" want access to every child.

Tolerance has met the final straw.

[melikio]

Tolerance has met the final straw.

And it's up to "YOU" to make that call?!

If you believe that is so, then SO BE IT, by you (but not absolutely for every other human being on the planet).

Why should anyone tolerate "YOU" (or the faults you likely possess)? Did Jesus call for intolerance, the type many of His followers exhibit? (I don't think so, and I know better.) Is it that YOU believe that people who oppose homosexuality, should be allowed to do WHATEVER THEY WISH to homosexuals? Can gay people be changed by FORCE? Why hasn't adultery, divorce and illicit remarriage been stopped (by now)? Who do you need to judge MORE than YOURSELF?

You'd better think really hard about what you are implying with your "tolerance" comment. That kind of attitude has come/gone, many times on this planet. (What you dish out, is what you'll receive in kind.) Expect trouble...though it isn't necessarily as imminent, as you appear to believe it MUST be.

Love is the ONLY way to make any of this (religion) work properly; without it, you have ZERO from your efforts. (And I didn't make that up...it's in the very book we call the Bible.)

If tolerance has met its end, then all of mankind is DOOMED...completely.

Your agenda, seems as hopeless as any I've seen. Even so, tolerance doesn't mean you have to accept homosexuality, and it's likely not being forced upon you as a human being.

You and others, need to be very careful about what they believe they should DO TO HOMOSEXUALS. If you really care, you'll see the point I'm making. I'm not here to FORCE you to change (that's STUPID and ineffectual), but I am here to shoot the biggest and brightest WARNING FLARE into the sky, that God has given to me.

It's God's providence to change people from the inside, not ours. You nor I can FORCE anyone to agree with your biblical views, morality or religion. A cursory look at the history of mankind, shows you exactly what you'll get, trying to CONTROL people with Christianity or religion.

I agree that God has standards for all human beings, but I'm seeing GOOD REASONS these days, to question a LOT of what some so-called messengers of God are including in their "agendas".

Not ALL agendas are hidden or sinister...and we all have them.

Peace,

-Mel-

[Curious]

This thread really got to some people I think. To get back to the original question I think that sexual orientation makes not one bit of difference to whether you follow the teachings of Jesus. Homosexuality is forbidden in the bible in the same place as that of eating pork and shellfish yet I find no such animosity towards practicers of these two "sinful" acts.

[ST88]

Homosexuals frame every single aspect of the issue in sexual freedom. Literally the right to do sex acts!

Christians have put the sexuality issue in a proper place. Privacy.

What is the difference between a man and a woman kissing in public and two men kissing in public?

If I am singing in a pew next to another person exalting God, why do I need to know what sexual practices defines that individual? In fact even in a locker room sexual escapades gets old.

Sexual proclivities define all of us. If I were a heterosexual then my love interest would be a woman. You would know that about me. Similarly, if I were a homosexual, then my love interest would be a man. You would know that about me. You would not have any idea what kinds of sins I might be doing with either the woman or the man; you would only know the gender of the person I was with. The rest is your own imagination.

It does get tricky with being bisexual. I might be pleasing God by being with a woman, but then again, I might be with a man and wouldn't be pleasing God. How would you judge me then?

Unless the "Homosexual Agenda" includes acceptance for others who do not believe the way they do, the wall will never be brought down. In fact it must be built to withstand the inevitable attack on the Church to get access to the children.

Al, it has been demonstrated that sexual orientation has nothing to do with pedophilia. The "homosexual agenda", as you call it, has but one item on it: acceptance by the wider society. Tolerance.

The greatest fears held by a Christian is that sin must be - by secualr law - imposed and accepted within the Church AND the CULTURE of Christianty. And that their children will get attacked by anti-Christian people (even within the Church).

Why does the existence of homosexuals threaten Christians? There is nothing in the law that says churches must accept homosexuals. The fact that some do is not a part of law, it is the individual church's decision. Churches are not forced nor obligated, so where's the problem?