Allah made it look like Jesus died, but he let someone die in Jesus' place to save Jesus according to the Quran. Isn't that a form of substitutionary death? This is something some Muslims tell me God doesn't do; so, I am confused about this.
The Quran states that the unbelievers plot and scheme with deception but Allah is the "best of deceivers" Some English translations state "the best of planners," in context, however, Allah does best what the unbelievers were doing which was deceiving; so, is Allah to blame for starting Christianity or did he know his deception would cause the birth of a religion that Islam could not comprehend or overcome? For instance, Christianity, IMO, has always been bigger, better and stronger than Islam and always will be!
Did Allah start Christianty?
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Why does Allah/God have to plan to deceive anyone? He can accomplish what He wants with truth. Jesus is the truth; He didn't say I show you the truth. He said I am.HaLi8993 wrote: Burninglight
Islam is the truth Burninglight, Allah does not deceive those that believe and sincerely submit to His commands. If you could only prove that Islam lies, then I might consider your stance. Jesus (peace be upon him) came with the truth just like all the other Prophets and Messengers (peace be upon them all).The greatest threat to Islam is knowledge and truth; it's greatest ally is ignorance and deception. Allah' claims to be the best of deceivers. Those that are in deception think lies are truth. Jesus said, "I am the truth..." He didn't say I show the truth
Jesus did everything on earth the father was doing in heaven. We don't see Jesus lying, tricking, scheming, fooling, planning or misleading anyone. He even told to truth to His enemies. Why would Allah/God have to lie and use the evil tactics of sinful man to accomplish his purposes with deception? As a result of this deception, Christianity was born, and it is larger than Islam. That seems self-defeating to me logically speaking, but you are willing to believe it.
I believe God always tells the truth in love. We deceive ourselves when we disobey Him; He doesn't deceive people. I could never accept that God is the best of deceivers; but I believe the satan is the father of lies as stated in the Bible.
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How can Jesus (peace be upon him) have been doing everything that the father was doing in heaven if Jesus (peace be upon him) is the father according to Christianity??? Furthermore who said anything about Jesus (peace be upon him) lying, tricking, scheming, fooling, planning or misleading anyone??, as Muslims we believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) came with the truth and was an example that demonstrated high moral values. Jesus (peace be upon him) never said I am the father worship me, he was nothing more than a Prophet (peace be upon him) like all other Prophets that came with the same message for a specific group of people. All the Prophets were truthful, you seem to be confused Burninglight God does not lie. Yes you are right in saying Christianity was born in the sense that it has been distorted changed and manipulated by man rather than following the true teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him). The fastest growing religion in the world is Islam , logically this would tell you something, people are waking up. One only has to examine the statics of how many Christians are becoming Atheists to realize that Christianity doesn't make any sense.
God loves us more than a mother loves her child, you are right, we are deceiving ourselves when we don't believe in God, the question is are you truly believing in Him? Certainly Not!
God is the truth and He is the All-Almighty, He does as He wills, protecting and aiding those that are following His religion. Jesus (peace be upon him) saying I am the truth is nothing different to any other Prophet that came at a specific time proclaiming the same thing. All the Prophets were the truth at the time they came to proclaim the belief and worship of pure Monotheism, believing in one God, something Christians do not do.Why does Allah/God have to plan to deceive anyone? He can accomplish what He wants with truth. Jesus is the truth; He didn't say I show you the truth. He said I am.
Jesus did everything on earth the father was doing in heaven. We don't see Jesus lying, tricking, scheming, fooling, planning or misleading anyone. He even told to truth to His enemies. Why would Allah/God have to lie and use the evil tactics of sinful man to accomplish his purposes with deception? As a result of this deception, Christianity was born, and it is larger than Islam. That seems self-defeating to me logically speaking, but you are willing to believe it.
I believe God always tells the truth in love. We deceive ourselves when we disobey Him; He doesn't deceive people. I could never accept that God is the best of deceivers; but I believe the satan is the father of lies as stated in the Bible.
How can Jesus (peace be upon him) have been doing everything that the father was doing in heaven if Jesus (peace be upon him) is the father according to Christianity??? Furthermore who said anything about Jesus (peace be upon him) lying, tricking, scheming, fooling, planning or misleading anyone??, as Muslims we believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) came with the truth and was an example that demonstrated high moral values. Jesus (peace be upon him) never said I am the father worship me, he was nothing more than a Prophet (peace be upon him) like all other Prophets that came with the same message for a specific group of people. All the Prophets were truthful, you seem to be confused Burninglight God does not lie. Yes you are right in saying Christianity was born in the sense that it has been distorted changed and manipulated by man rather than following the true teachings of Jesus (peace be upon him). The fastest growing religion in the world is Islam , logically this would tell you something, people are waking up. One only has to examine the statics of how many Christians are becoming Atheists to realize that Christianity doesn't make any sense.
God loves us more than a mother loves her child, you are right, we are deceiving ourselves when we don't believe in God, the question is are you truly believing in Him? Certainly Not!
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And yet, we find that birth rates are the culprits, not conversions.HaLi8993 wrote:
The fastest growing religion in the world is Islam , logically this would tell you something, people are waking up.
Yes, and notice they are also not becoming Muslims because they realize Islam doesn't make any sense, either.One only has to examine the statics of how many Christians are becoming Atheists to realize that Christianity doesn't make any sense.
And, according to the statistics, conversion to atheism is the fastest growing group.
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I know of many reverts A Troubled Man.
Conversion to Atheist may be on the rise no doubt, maybe because they see the corruption that exists within their own beliefs. This is not he answer either though.
Maybe because we are not oppressed as women by the west are in having babies. Lol.And yet, we find that birth rates are the culprits, not conversions.
I know of many reverts A Troubled Man.
In the contrary A Troubled Man there are many embracing Islam cause they realize the truth in it.Yes, and notice they are also not becoming Muslims because they realize Islam doesn't make any sense, either.
And, according to the statistics, conversion to atheism is the fastest growing group.
Conversion to Atheist may be on the rise no doubt, maybe because they see the corruption that exists within their own beliefs. This is not he answer either though.
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Is just one huge load of crud. Your god has never done one single thing for anybody. Mothers are the opposite to that.God loves us more than a mother loves her child
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Or, women are oppressed and meant to be kept at home pregnant and in the kitchen.HaLi8993 wrote:
Maybe because we are not oppressed as women by the west are in having babies. Lol.
No, there aren't many embracing Islam, that is false.In the contrary A Troubled Man there are many embracing Islam cause they realize the truth in it.
No, they see the foolishness and delusions of those indoctrinated into religions.Conversion to Atheist may be on the rise no doubt, maybe because they see the corruption that exists within their own beliefs.
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He has given you ears to hear with, eyes to see with, He has created you from nothing, He has given you food to eat, and has given you stars as a means of direction, He has given you clean water from the earth in which you drink, and abundant fruit and vegetables that grow by His command, He has healed you after injury, and has given you wealth and a family. He has given you clean clothes and bed to sleep in during the night and has made the night a time of rest, He has set trees in place that provide oxygen for you to breath with, and has laid out the earth for you as dwelling, and has provided you with warmth by means of the sun, which of the blessings and favors of your Lord would you deny???God loves us more than a mother loves her child Is just one huge load of crud. Your god has never done one single thing for anybody. Mothers are the opposite to that.
God says:
QURAN: 14:34
....... and if you count the blessings of Allah, never will you be able to count them. Verily, man is indeed an extreme wrongdoer, a disbeliever (an extreme ingrate who denies Allahs blessings by disbelief, and by worshipping others besides Allah, and by disobeying Allah and His Prophet Muhammad
and in a narration it says:
389. Abu Musa reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said,
"No one (or) nothing is more patient in enduring an injury which he hears than Allah Almighty. They claim that He has a son, and yet He still cures them and provides for them."
I suggest you read the chapter called Ar-Rahman of the Quran.
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What I find to be oppression is where a society indirectly forces the women to work, run a house hold and look after the children all at once, due to the cost of living, in return being restricted by society to put aside having babies, sometimes all together. Where by women have a time frame to return back to work and are forced to put their children into childcare, depriving the child of very much needed care and nutrients such breast milk. This is not only oppression to the women but also to the child.
Women are not oppressed in Islam, every women has responsibilities as a parent, this being one of them, to look after her children and to feed them. Which parent wold deny this?? This is not something uncommon even the most primitive of people would do this as this in the nature of women, to love, care, nurture and give her children the best upbringing. No doubt there are exceptions where by men would do the same, however even according to the western statistics the amount of stay home women outweigh that of men.Or, women are oppressed and meant to be kept at home pregnant and in the kitchen.
What I find to be oppression is where a society indirectly forces the women to work, run a house hold and look after the children all at once, due to the cost of living, in return being restricted by society to put aside having babies, sometimes all together. Where by women have a time frame to return back to work and are forced to put their children into childcare, depriving the child of very much needed care and nutrients such breast milk. This is not only oppression to the women but also to the child.
Wrong Again.....2013:No, there aren't many embracing Islam, that is false.
Nope, they see the truth. They realize the doctrines in the Quran to be from God and submit to the commands of their Creator.No, they see the foolishness and delusions of those indoctrinated into religions.
