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Danmark wrote:
Volbrigade wrote:
Danmark:
There is a psychological tendency to read purpose into the universe, but no evidence for it.
Thank you, Dan, for confirming what I've been saying is the inescapable conclusion of atheism.
Thank you Vol, for agreeing there is no evidence for finding 'purpose' in the universe.
And that is scarcely odd because, there isn't any.
Non theists look for truth, even if they might prefer to find something else.
Theists look for evidence of what is not there.
There is no meaning or purpose in what you wrote here, Dan. 8-)

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Divine Insight wrote: [Replying to post 25 by Volbrigade]

Volbrigade,

You don't seem to realize that if the Crucifixion of Christ was "God's Plan" in a drama that God had written before the beginning of time then the Pharisees, Pontius Pilate, the Roman Soliders who crucified Christ, and even Judas would all necessarily be in Heaven right now receiving their Oscar Awards for "Best Actors" in this play.

If the crucifixion of Christ was "God's Plan" then everyone who contributed to it would have been doing the Will of God precisely as God had hoped they would play out their roles.

In fact, if this was God's Plan, then surely all of these characters were nothing more than puppets on strings doing precisely the will of God.
:D If the crucifiction of Christ was 'God's Plan' before the beginning of time, then it was a pretty poor and unnecessary plan, full of unnecessary drama, torture, mistake and evil. I expect much better of a 'God.'

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Volbrigade wrote:
Danmark wrote:
Volbrigade wrote:
Danmark:
There is a psychological tendency to read purpose into the universe, but no evidence for it.
Thank you, Dan, for confirming what I've been saying is the inescapable conclusion of atheism.
Thank you Vol, for agreeing there is no evidence for finding 'purpose' in the universe.
And that is scarcely odd because, there isn't any.
Non theists look for truth, even if they might prefer to find something else.
Theists look for evidence of what is not there.
There is no meaning or purpose in what you wrote here, Dan. 8-)
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dianaiad wrote:
Volbrigade wrote:
Danmark wrote:
Volbrigade wrote:
Danmark:
There is a psychological tendency to read purpose into the universe, but no evidence for it.
Thank you, Dan, for confirming what I've been saying is the inescapable conclusion of atheism.
Thank you Vol, for agreeing there is no evidence for finding 'purpose' in the universe.
And that is scarcely odd because, there isn't any.
Non theists look for truth, even if they might prefer to find something else.
Theists look for evidence of what is not there.
There is no meaning or purpose in what you wrote here, Dan. 8-)
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All due respect, diana -- that's a good rule. But like all rules...

What has happened here is that in a long-ranging conversation, that has spawned its own thread, in which I have been arguing pretty much solo against several posters with adversarial positions, Danmark inadvertently (it is assumed) opened himself up to an irresistible one-line coup de grace.

If there is no meaning or purpose...

well... it follows that...

>snick<

One flick of the wrist; the line by which Dan's reasoning hangs is cut; and he falls screaming into the void.

I thought that was evident from my response.

Too subtle?

8-)

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Volbrigade wrote: What has happened here is that in a long-ranging conversation, that has spawned its own thread, in which I have been arguing pretty much solo against several posters with adversarial positions, Danmark inadvertently (it is assumed) opened himself up to an irresistible one-line coup de grace.

If there is no meaning or purpose...

well... it follows that...

>snick<

One flick of the wrist; the line by which Dan's reasoning hangs is cut; and he falls screaming into the void.

I thought that was evident from my response.

Too subtle?
Subtle? Only if by 'subtle' you mean non existent. Even with your additional explanation, your meaning is less than unclear. There is no meaning or purpose in the universe except what man decides to give it. The universe just is. It is only man who observes it and quite arbitrarily decides it must have meaning. To claim the universe has purpose or meaning is to claim a god with a personality exists and created it for some purpose. Saying there is a god so there must be meaning apart from what men give it begs the question.

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Volbrigade wrote:
dianaiad wrote:
Volbrigade wrote:
Danmark wrote:
Volbrigade wrote:
Danmark:
There is a psychological tendency to read purpose into the universe, but no evidence for it.
Thank you, Dan, for confirming what I've been saying is the inescapable conclusion of atheism.
Thank you Vol, for agreeing there is no evidence for finding 'purpose' in the universe.
And that is scarcely odd because, there isn't any.
Non theists look for truth, even if they might prefer to find something else.
Theists look for evidence of what is not there.
There is no meaning or purpose in what you wrote here, Dan. 8-)
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All due respect, diana -- that's a good rule. But like all rules...

What has happened here is that in a long-ranging conversation, that has spawned its own thread, in which I have been arguing pretty much solo against several posters with adversarial positions, Danmark inadvertently (it is assumed) opened himself up to an irresistible one-line coup de grace.

If there is no meaning or purpose...

well... it follows that...

>snick<

One flick of the wrist; the line by which Dan's reasoning hangs is cut; and he falls screaming into the void.

I thought that was evident from my response.

Too subtle?

8-)
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My theological positions:

-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.

I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.

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Volbrigade wrote: that is perhaps the most brilliant argument I have ever encountered.

Just reverse the initial premise to "There is a God"-- and no truer words were ever spoken.
Don't you see you've just acknowledging that the argument is question begging? Your conclusion is the same as your initial premise.

1) There is a God.
2) God can infused the universe with meaning.
3) The universe is infused with meaning.
4) Therefore God exist.

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Danmark wrote: If the crucifiction of Christ was 'God's Plan' before the beginning of time, then it was a pretty poor and unnecessary plan, full of unnecessary drama, torture, mistake and evil. I expect much better of a 'God.'
The plan included GOD in a loving unity called marriage with HIS creation. Only by the free will acceptance of HIS proposal of marriage can a loving marriage be created. For a person to have a full free will, uncoerced or constrained from any option in the choice, then the option to choose to reject the marriage has to be available or we are not free willed.

It was by this mis-use of their free will to reject YHWH as their God and to reject HIS promises of salvation from any future sin which made them eternally sinful, unable to cure themselves and unwilling to ever accept HIS help that created the unnecessary drama, torture, mistake and evil you complain about, not HIS plan at all but a perversion of it.

HIS hope was that everyone would choose to accept HIS deity and HIS offer of salvation for any sin we might do and to finish in heaven in marriage with HIM. HIS understanding that some might reject HIM and heaven and bring evil into HIS creation, necessitated His decision to offer himself as a sacrifice for the redemption of His sinful elect. FEW Christians have conceived of HIS plan for our creation as fulfilled by HIS sovereign control over ever thought we have and act we do though it is a favourite straw-man to beat on, eh? Since free will puts GOD at arm's length from the creation of evil it is to be judiciously ignored in favour or the false but emotional idea the GOD creates and is therefore guilty for evil.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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[Replying to post 38 by ttruscott]

Ted, I think we all know your position on your theology. What you believe is not the question. The question in this thread is whether or not life has meaning and if the Bible agrees or state's that life has a meaning. If life has a meaning, where does it come from, what is it, and how do you know?

Simply restating your personal belief about god does not answer, or even address the question.

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