When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?
If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.
We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.
Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29
Paradise on Earth
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Post #461
[Replying to post 460 by onewithhim]
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I'm getting nervous because I might lose the "who knows more Latin phrases" game. I only really know two or three.
And as you know, tempus fugit...
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Among other reasons, I'm here to:
1. Try to make sense out of what people write
2. Learn what they have to teach
3. Share my own ideas.. I might have something that I can teach.
4. Reach agreements with people I don't usually agree with.
5. Learn about all kinds of things.. For example, if I am discussing Intelligent Design, I have to learn about it, and so on.
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Now, I know this might sound a bit negative, but I will tell you one of the things that I am NOT here to do:
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FOR THE RECORD:
I am NOT here to prevent people from having the satisfaction of thinking that they have made a good point.
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When I think that someone has made a good point, I MAKE A POINT of "liking" the post, and offering TOKENS a lot. I am a quite CONGRATULATORY cat.
Thanks for the clarification.
Of course, I can't answer the question as I don't pretend to know the mind of your god.
I could just as easily say that IF god did not exist, the book might be just as popular.
Popularity for an entity and the books about it has NOTHING to say about if the believed entity exists or not in any REAL sense.
That's why the argument from popularity fails.
And no, the Bible is surely not number one on my list.
But even if it was.. big deal.
Is truth a popularity contest?
You certainly do NOT mean that it's a question concerning logic.
It's not a "logic question" in that sense, surely.
A logic question in that sense would be something in the order of : "What is the main difference between deductive arguments and inductive arguments?"
You MIGHT mean that the question you ask makes some sense to you.
You might mean that the question you asked was a "logical" one to ask.
In other words, I could understand you to be saying that to you, it makes sense to ask it.
But now, I'm only guessing.
I don't quite know what point you are making yet.
[center]More on argumentum ad populum[/center]
Are you calling me deaf?onewithhim wrote:
I know what ad nauseum means, and it applies to my repeated logic that continues to fall on deaf ears.
I'm getting nervous because I might lose the "who knows more Latin phrases" game. I only really know two or three.
And as you know, tempus fugit...
Sorry, but I'm not in the habit of pretending that someone made a good point when I don't think that they have.onewithhim wrote:
I use logic, but you won't let me have the satisfaction of thinking that I have made a good point.
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Among other reasons, I'm here to:
1. Try to make sense out of what people write
2. Learn what they have to teach
3. Share my own ideas.. I might have something that I can teach.
4. Reach agreements with people I don't usually agree with.
5. Learn about all kinds of things.. For example, if I am discussing Intelligent Design, I have to learn about it, and so on.
________________
Now, I know this might sound a bit negative, but I will tell you one of the things that I am NOT here to do:
______________
FOR THE RECORD:
I am NOT here to prevent people from having the satisfaction of thinking that they have made a good point.
______________
When I think that someone has made a good point, I MAKE A POINT of "liking" the post, and offering TOKENS a lot. I am a quite CONGRATULATORY cat.
Good point.
Thanks for the clarification.
You sure did.onewithhim wrote:
I said IF there is a God (IF), wouldn't he make his message available to the whole world?
Of course, I can't answer the question as I don't pretend to know the mind of your god.
I could just as easily say that IF god did not exist, the book might be just as popular.
Popularity for an entity and the books about it has NOTHING to say about if the believed entity exists or not in any REAL sense.
That's why the argument from popularity fails.
I have access to millions of books.onewithhim wrote:
Wouldn't he see to it that his message was FOREMOST on the list of books that humans have access to?
And no, the Bible is surely not number one on my list.
But even if it was.. big deal.
Is truth a popularity contest?
I do not know what you mean by that.
You certainly do NOT mean that it's a question concerning logic.
It's not a "logic question" in that sense, surely.
A logic question in that sense would be something in the order of : "What is the main difference between deductive arguments and inductive arguments?"
You MIGHT mean that the question you ask makes some sense to you.
You might mean that the question you asked was a "logical" one to ask.
In other words, I could understand you to be saying that to you, it makes sense to ask it.
But now, I'm only guessing.
I am quite prepared to concede to a point.onewithhim wrote:
I would think that you or anyone else who is interested in logic would concede as much.
I don't quite know what point you are making yet.
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Post #463
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Some people just want to get the heck out of here[/center]
I still don't know what point you are trying to make
You wanna go home?
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Some people just want to get the heck out of here[/center]
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veni, vidi, volo in domum redire
I still don't know what point you are trying to make
You wanna go home?
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Anyway, I hope people will go to the website below to obtain some information on the Biblical promise of Paradise on Earth.
www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Paradise+on+Earth
www.jw.org/en/search/?q=Paradise+on+Earth
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Post #466
Imagine yourself sitting next to a large pool sparkling in the sunlight, Mai Tai in hand, listening to your children playing with a zebra and a tiger on the vast green lawn. Your apple and cherry trees are loaded with fruit and you've got veggies coming up in the garden. You were reunited with your deceased grandparents yesterday, and they are coming over this afternoon to have dinner, and then you will all go to the resurrection of your great grand-parents. You are so excited! Your grandparents already look so much younger than when they died. Indeed, Job had said, "Let their flesh become fresher than in youth!" (Job 33:25)
You get lost in thought about getting to meet your ancestors, eventually, all the way back to Abel and Seth. Just the thought of it almost draws tears of excitement and happiness.
You look at your beautiful mansion of stone and wooden beams and glass with fountains and gorgeous landscaping, and your heart is filled with joy.
What other beautiful things can you imagine will be around your home in Paradise?
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You get lost in thought about getting to meet your ancestors, eventually, all the way back to Abel and Seth. Just the thought of it almost draws tears of excitement and happiness.
You look at your beautiful mansion of stone and wooden beams and glass with fountains and gorgeous landscaping, and your heart is filled with joy.
What other beautiful things can you imagine will be around your home in Paradise?
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Post #467
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I think that one thing would be no wall between the US and Mexico, so that a perfect Jesus can come cut your lawn and bring you a drink when it's hot.[/center]
Who picks up the zebra poo?
Who cuts the grass of that perfect lawn?
Who got you the pineapples, the rum, who made the glass?
Who repairs your refrigerator for the ICE?
Who works to have the internet run so that you get the mai tai recipes?
Who deals with human waste?
If your septic tank is full.. who do you call?
Jesus?
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I think that one thing would be no wall between the US and Mexico, so that a perfect Jesus can come cut your lawn and bring you a drink when it's hot.[/center]
That tigers don't eat meat.
Who picks up the zebra poo?
Who cuts the grass of that perfect lawn?
Who got you the pineapples, the rum, who made the glass?
Who repairs your refrigerator for the ICE?
Who works to have the internet run so that you get the mai tai recipes?
Who deals with human waste?
If your septic tank is full.. who do you call?
Jesus?
Post #468
Imagination is separated by a Red Sea from reality, and if God parts that sea, good and well. Your mansion must have many, many rooms to accommodate the billions of relatives you will invite in for dinner, and your garden of cherry trees and apples will soon have lost their produce. No problem, because new apples and cherries instantaneously appear, as do rooms in a mansion.onewithhim wrote:
You look at your beautiful mansion of stone and wooden beams and glass with fountains and gorgeous landscaping, and your heart is filled with joy.
What other beautiful things can you imagine will be around your home in Paradise?
In reality people die here from lack of clean water; people kill other people; people are born without limbs or witness the death of their infants. Experience tells us this is the way of things; that tigers and lambs are inimical and carnivores are not biologically constructed to eat grass. There is nothing wrong with dreaming: we read lovely books and immerse ourselves in the fantasy. Then we wake up.
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Post #469
Blastcat wrote: [Replying to post 466 by onewithhim]
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I think that one thing would be no wall between the US and Mexico, so that a perfect Jesus can come cut your lawn and bring you a drink when it's hot.[/center]
That tigers don't eat meat.
Who picks up the zebra poo?
Who cuts the grass of that perfect lawn?
Who got you the pineapples, the rum, who made the glass?
Who repairs your refrigerator for the ICE?
Who works to have the internet run so that you get the mai tai recipes?
Who deals with human waste?
If your septic tank is full.. who do you call?
Jesus?
Well, tigers won't eat meat. I would think that if lions will eat grass or straw, tigers will too. "Even the lion will eat straw just like the bull." (Isaiah 11:7)I agree, there will be no wall between what is now the U.S. and Mexico.
Jesus will be giving instructions from heaven, so he won't be available to cut any lawns, but we will feel so good that we won't mind doing it ourselves.
Zebra poo will be a problem only as long as we haven't yet got instructions from Jesus. I'm sure he will have some good suggestions.
The glass, the rum, the refrigeration.....all of that will be told to us in the new system of things. There will have to be some kind of industry going on, only without pollution. I'm sure that we'll have the Internet and it will continue to advance.
I know human waste will be no problem. I have seen examples of toilets that can be made to treat our poops and come out on the bottom as fertilizer. But if we had those NOW, the sewage industry would cause a big stink.
Jesus won't be impressed with lobbying.
Post #470
onewithhim wrote:
The glass, the rum, the refrigeration.....all of that will be told to us in the new system of things. There will have to be some kind of industry going on, only without pollution. I'm sure that we'll have the Internet and it will continue to advance.
Are you going to drink mai tai all day with your perfect relatives, or go work in the perfect glass making factories?
