Jesus claimed to be God (John 8:14)

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:12 am

John 8:14
Jesus answered and said to them, Even if I testify about Myself, My testimony is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from or where I am going (NASB).

Why do some deny the Lord Jesus is God even though the Lord Jesus claimed that His testimony alone was to be believed (cf. Deuteronomy 17:6)?

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:19 am

Faber wrote: Invalid.

You still haven't supplied any proof for why you choose the words you do.

This objection doesn't make any sense!? Proof of what?? Using a word and making a claim are two very different things. Using a word does not require proof. There is no burden of proof associated with using a word.

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:20 am

How do I know you are using it correctly?
Since you deny how the words of the Bible are properly defined then anything goes.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:22 am

Faber wrote: How do I know you are using it correctly?
Since you deny how the words of the Bible are properly defined then anything goes.

Which definitions am I denying?

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:22 am

Do your homework. I already explained.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:23 am

Faber wrote: Do your homework. I already explained.

Ok so in conclusion, your OP is a blatant lie as Jesus never made any claim that he is God. Enjoy your day

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:25 am

Thank you. I am enjoying my day. I have dealt many times with your form of argumentation.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:30 am

[Replying to post 8 by Faber]

Checkpoint wrote

Do you know why you fail to convince any of us non-Trinitarians?

You answered

Yes, because those who deny the Lord Jesus is God who claim they believe the Bible do not go by how the words of the Bible are properly defined.

Thanks for confirming and illustrating my point.

Does the Lord Jesus Christ have a god, the same one his followers have?

Does God the Father have a god?

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:23 pm

The Father referred to the Lord Jesus as "God" in Hebrews 1:8 and just two verses earlier commanded the angels to worship the Lord Jesus.
This also proves that the Lord Jesus is God.
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Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:22 am

[Replying to post 44 by Faber]

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onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Fri Jun 09, 2017 6:21 am

Faber wrote: The Father referred to the Lord Jesus as "God" in Hebrews 1:8 and just two verses earlier commanded the angels to worship the Lord Jesus.
This also proves that the Lord Jesus is God.
viewtopic.php?t=32614

Oh no the Father did NOT refer to Jesus as "God" in Hebrews 1:8, and this would be evident if we delved a bit deeper into the rendering of that verse. Jason BeDuhn, in his excellent book, Truth in Translation, explains why "your throne O God" is a very unlikely rendering. (See pages 97-101.) He shows that the better translation would be: God is your throne, meaning that God is the source of the authority and power that Jesus is given.

Certainly we can see the discrepancy in the rendering of verse 8 when we look at the very next verse which says that THE SON HAS A GOD, a God that anointed him with "the oil of exultation."

You don't get any Brownie Points for that, Faber. And "worship" has been explained ad nauseum to you, if you would kindly review those explanations.