Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[JehovahsWitness]

The "new earth" is simply a new society of people who will listen to their Creator and live in true peace with other people and even the animals. The "new heavens" means a new system of government.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. A new government? Yikes!

Does the idea of Jesus' government make you sick?

ISAIAH 9:6



New International Version
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

New Living Translation
For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

English Standard Version
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

New American Standard Bible
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

King James Bible
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, andthe government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

International Standard Version
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


New Heart English Bible
For to us a child is born. To us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

GOD'S WORD Translation
A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

JPS Tanakh 1917
For a child is born unto us, A son is given unto us; And the government is upon his shoulder; And his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;

New American Standard 1977
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government is placed upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called The Wonderful One, The Counsellor, The God, The Mighty One, The Eternal Father, The Prince of Peace.

King James 2000 Bible
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

American King James Version
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

American Standard Version
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.

Darby Bible Translation
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name is called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.

Still feeling like you want to vomit?

JW

[onewithhim]

The "new earth" is simply a new society of people who will listen to their Creator and live in true peace with other people and even the animals. The "new heavens" means a new system of government.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little. A new government? Yikes!

Does the idea of Jesus' government make you sick?

ISAIAH 9:6



New International Version
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

New Living Translation
For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

English Standard Version
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

New American Standard Bible
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

King James Bible
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For a child will be born for us, a son will be given to us, andthe government will be on His shoulders. He will be named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

International Standard Version
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name is called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


New Heart English Bible
For to us a child is born. To us a son is given; and the government will be on his shoulders. His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

GOD'S WORD Translation
A child will be born for us. A son will be given to us. The government will rest on his shoulders. He will be named: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

JPS Tanakh 1917
For a child is born unto us, A son is given unto us; And the government is upon his shoulder; And his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom;

New American Standard 1977
For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
And the government will rest on His shoulders;
And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

Jubilee Bible 2000
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government is placed upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called The Wonderful One, The Counsellor, The God, The Mighty One, The Eternal Father, The Prince of Peace.

King James 2000 Bible
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

American King James Version
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

American Standard Version
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For a CHILD IS BORN to us, and a son is given to us, and the government is upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called, Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace.

Darby Bible Translation
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name is called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.

Still feeling like you want to vomit?

JW

Indeed, the new government is what the Good News of the Kingdom is all about! How can people miss that? Ah...I guess it's because the churches don't teach what the Bible says about Jesus' government. If they did they might ruffle the politicians' feathers.

[RightReason]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

Still feeling like you want to vomit?

Yes. My point stands. You reduce the world to some political government. You cite only the translations you selected. Here are others giving a better understanding of the meaning of the text:

For a son has been born for us, a son has been given to us, and dominion has been laid on his shoulders; and this is the name he has been given, 'Wonder-Counsellor, Mighty-God, Eternal-Father, Prince-of-Peace'


For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace.

So, even when we allow translations with the word government, they dont mean a literal earthly political government.


What is meant by the government shall rest upon His shoulders? Clearly this is not speaking about earthly governments or to the idea that Jesus Christ would be an earthly King, for Jesus said My kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36). Rather, the idea presented in the New Testament is that Jesus Christ brought the new covenant to Gods people and as such is Ruler, Sovereign, and Lord of that Kingdom.

https://carm.org/literal-interpretation-isaiah

[RightReason]

[Replying to post 592 by onewithhim]

Indeed, the new government is what the Good News of the Kingdom is all about! How can people miss that?

How can people settle for that? God is so much bigger than some political power. The hereafter couldnt possibly simply be a cleaned up earth. Read some of the Saints who have communicated with God. There are so many beautiful stories of the Saints while on earth -- lifting their hearts to the Lord and they literally describe it as sheer ecstasy. By simply becoming one with God, they experience a peace and love they are unable to describe. This inexplicable experience is not them running around some planet earth playing with puppy dogs. Their complete fulfillment is in being with God " not unlimited hot fudge sundaes.

In fact some Saints when they came back to their earthly reality were so let down. They explained how even the most beautiful and brilliant diamond on earth paled in comparison to the brilliance and light they saw when they were in their rapture. They commented how dull and dim earth was " yes even the best that earth can offer. The rivers and mountains and streams were nothing compared to the gift God allowed them in giving them a glimpse of life with Him in the supernatural.

Ah...I guess it's because the churches don't teach what the Bible says about Jesus' government. If they did they might ruffle the politicians' feathers.

I really dont even know what this means. The Church, who gave us Scripture, teaches all of it. And she doesnt change those teachings according to the fashions of the day " unlike JW who has changed her teachings many times over over the years. Stay tuned. Maybe their paradise earth theory will not last through the century. Guess time will tell. Will you be ok if you find out you actually get to spend eternity with God?

[marco]

Indeed, the new government is what the Good News of the Kingdom is all about! How can people miss that? Ah...I guess it's because the churches don't teach what the Bible says about Jesus' government. If they did they might ruffle the politicians' feathers.

They certainly don't teach what onewithhim says about "government." Pilate, too, got confused about the worldly and the ethereal and was reminded that the word "kingdom", like the word "earth", can refer to spiritual realms. "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man what things God hath prepared......." and so making what God has prepared more of the same, only lusher meadows and tame tigers, approaches a childlike understanding of figurative language.

The Beatitudes are promises of reward for those who seem to suffer hardship here; in the next world wrongs will be righted. When Christ used the phrase "inherit the earth" he is doing what he likes doing, making his promise parallel Scripture but with the difference that his words are metaphor while the old understanding is literal and parochial. I suppose it is easy, if far-fetched, to confuse Christ's language and suppose that the planet that is third from the sun will get a face-lift and folk will live in second-hand accommodation. This is amusing and perhaps Christ did have a cruel sense of humour but surely it is best to take the sensible option and accept Christ is referring to heavenly rewards.... using EARTHLY language.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 592 by onewithhim]

Indeed, the new government is what the Good News of the Kingdom is all about! How can people miss that?

How can people settle for that? God is so much bigger than some political power. The hereafter couldnt possibly simply be a cleaned up earth. Read some of the Saints who have communicated with God. There are so many beautiful stories of the Saints while on earth -- lifting their hearts to the Lord and they literally describe it as sheer ecstasy. By simply becoming one with God, they experience a peace and love they are unable to describe. This inexplicable experience is not them running around some planet earth playing with puppy dogs. Their complete fulfillment is in being with God " not unlimited hot fudge sundaes.

In fact some Saints when they came back to their earthly reality were so let down. They explained how even the most beautiful and brilliant diamond on earth paled in comparison to the brilliance and light they saw when they were in their rapture. They commented how dull and dim earth was " yes even the best that earth can offer. The rivers and mountains and streams were nothing compared to the gift God allowed them in giving them a glimpse of life with Him in the supernatural.

Ah...I guess it's because the churches don't teach what the Bible says about Jesus' government. If they did they might ruffle the politicians' feathers.

I really dont even know what this means. The Church, who gave us Scripture, teaches all of it. And she doesnt change those teachings according to the fashions of the day " unlike JW who has changed her teachings many times over over the years. Stay tuned. Maybe their paradise earth theory will not last through the century. Guess time will tell. Will you be ok if you find out you actually get to spend eternity with God?

I know that I will be spending eternity with Jehovah and His Son, even though their abode is in heaven and mine is on the earth. Adam had a very close relationship with Jehovah before he rebelled. I believe humans will have a relationship like that during and/or after the Thousand-Year Reign of Christ over the earth.

[RightReason]

[Replying to marco]

They certainly don't teach what onewithhim says about "government." Pilate, too, got confused about the worldly and the ethereal and was reminded that the word "kingdom", like the word "earth", can refer to spiritual realms. "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man what things God hath prepared......." and so making what God has prepared more of the same, only lusher meadows and tame tigers, approaches a childlike understanding of figurative language.

Awww . . . keep it up and youll be comen home soon.

Words from my fave . . .

It is impossible to be just to the Catholic Church. The moment men cease to pull against it they feel a tug towards it. The moment they cease to shout it down they begin to listen to it with pleasure. The moment they try to be fair to it they begin to be fond of it. But when that affection has passed a certain point it begins to take on the tragic and menacing grandeur of a great love affair. -Chesterton


I remember hearing it being pointed out that this material earthly prize idea is a common theme in religions that deny the divinity of Christ. For Muslims its a paradise consisting of 70 virgins, fruit, wine, gardens watered from underneath. For Mormons you get your own planet and become the god of that planet " a planet with multiple wives. Jehovah Witness have a paradise on earth with earthly delights. This is what happens when you miss the person of Jesus Christ. You dont look forward to being with Him. It isnt an option so you end up reducing heaven to an extension of earth and a place of material rewards rather than having the desire to be in union with Christ and see God face to face.

Scripture contradicts JW theology so they had to change it. Every time in Scripture where it says worship Jesus, the JWs changed the word to simply be obey, whereas when the exact same word is used in Scripture in reference to God, the JWs leave the word worship. This is and should be very problematic for anyone seeking Truth.

Ive said this before, but Ill say it again " a careful analysis of Scripture and history would show even non believers or atheists would agree with the Catholic Church. Im not saying they believe in God or even like the Church, but they would at least be able to recognize the Catholic Church is more accurate. And not only more accurate in Scripture translations or her reasoning from Scripture or matching up with historical records and writings from the early Church, but also in her set up.

Other religions see Scripture as their sole authority, which is in itself illogical. The Church came before Scripture. Other religions often do not even claim to be the one true church. Other religions, JW included do not claim their church is infallible with regards to teachings on matters of faith and morals. What good is it then? Knowing what we know about man and how easy it is for different people to read the same thing and come to different conclusions, nothing else makes sense to recognize the necessity of One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. To at least recognize that God would not have left us on our own, or high and dry until Charles Taze Russell, or whoever fill in the blank came on the scene in the 1600s. It just doesnt add up!

Look, I get it. The Church has its divine element, but also its very fallible human element, but it always has from the moment it was established, Thou art Peter and upon this rock, I build my church But despite the imperfections of Peter and Paul and the whole bunch, Christ promised to guide her in all truth. Scripture calls the Church the pillar and foundation of truth. Christ promised to remain with His Church forever. Which means even if Luthers motivation to clean up the Church was good, him leaving and starting a new church meant He left Christs Church. He didnt trust Christs promise. He ignored Scripture. He thought he could do better. But how? Left on your own with Scripture alone has proven to give us thousands of different sects all teaching different things. How can you know youre getting it right a part from Christs Church? It doesnt make sense!

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

Still feeling like you want to vomit?

Yes.

So Isaiah chapter 6 verse 9 makes you want to vomit?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to marco]

They certainly don't teach what onewithhim says about "government." Pilate, too, got confused about the worldly and the ethereal and was reminded that the word "kingdom", like the word "earth", can refer to spiritual realms. "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath it entered into the heart of man what things God hath prepared......." and so making what God has prepared more of the same, only lusher meadows and tame tigers, approaches a childlike understanding of figurative language.

Awww . . . keep it up and youll be comen home soon.

Words from my fave . . .

It is impossible to be just to the Catholic Church. The moment men cease to pull against it they feel a tug towards it. The moment they cease to shout it down they begin to listen to it with pleasure. The moment they try to be fair to it they begin to be fond of it. But when that affection has passed a certain point it begins to take on the tragic and menacing grandeur of a great love affair. -Chesterton


I remember hearing it being pointed out that this material earthly prize idea is a common theme in religions that deny the divinity of Christ. For Muslims its a paradise consisting of 70 virgins, fruit, wine, gardens watered from underneath. For Mormons you get your own planet and become the god of that planet " a planet with multiple wives. Jehovah Witness have a paradise on earth with earthly delights. This is what happens when you miss the person of Jesus Christ. You dont look forward to being with Him. It isnt an option so you end up reducing heaven to an extension of earth and a place of material rewards rather than having the desire to be in union with Christ and see God face to face.

Scripture contradicts JW theology so they had to change it. Every time in Scripture where it says worship Jesus, the JWs changed the word to simply be obey, whereas when the exact same word is used in Scripture in reference to God, the JWs leave the word worship. This is and should be very problematic for anyone seeking Truth.

Ive said this before, but Ill say it again " a careful analysis of Scripture and history would show even non believers or atheists would agree with the Catholic Church. Im not saying they believe in God or even like the Church, but they would at least be able to recognize the Catholic Church is more accurate. And not only more accurate in Scripture translations or her reasoning from Scripture or matching up with historical records and writings from the early Church, but also in her set up.

Other religions see Scripture as their sole authority, which is in itself illogical. The Church came before Scripture. Other religions often do not even claim to be the one true church. Other religions, JW included do not claim their church is infallible with regards to teachings on matters of faith and morals. What good is it then? Knowing what we know about man and how easy it is for different people to read the same thing and come to different conclusions, nothing else makes sense to recognize the necessity of One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. To at least recognize that God would not have left us on our own, or high and dry until Charles Taze Russell, or whoever fill in the blank came on the scene in the 1600s. It just doesnt add up!

Look, I get it. The Church has its divine element, but also its very fallible human element, but it always has from the moment it was established, Thou art Peter and upon this rock, I build my church But despite the imperfections of Peter and Paul and the whole bunch, Christ promised to guide her in all truth. Scripture calls the Church the pillar and foundation of truth. Christ promised to remain with His Church forever. Which means even if Luthers motivation to clean up the Church was good, him leaving and starting a new church meant He left Christs Church. He didnt trust Christs promise. He ignored Scripture. He thought he could do better. But how? Left on your own with Scripture alone has proven to give us thousands of different sects all teaching different things. How can you know youre getting it right a part from Christs Church? It doesnt make sense!

You say that the idea of an earthly paradise is "a common theme in religions that deny the divinity of Christ." What religions would those be? I haven't run across one in this day and age that pay any attention to the scriptures about a physical paradise.
What religions would those be?

Muslims believe that their virgins will be in heaven, as I've been told. You say a lot that seems to come off the top of your head, with no substantiation. Mormons don't put any stock in the Bible, just the Book of Mormon which is a clunker. They think God was once a man like they are. They don't teach a paradise earth, just that you can have your own planet someday.

JWs aren't "missing the person of Jesus Christ" at all. We accept everything he did and said, as well as the entire Bible---any version you want to talk about. He died so that humanity could CONTINUE to occupy the earth, as was God's intention from the beginning. Did God create the earth to eventually be demolished? There is nothing in Scripture that says so.

"For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, the Former of the earth, the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it to be inhabited..." (Isaiah 45:18)

Scripture does NOT contradict JW teaching. If anyone is interested, they can quickly discern that the Bible is full of the teaching that the earth is mankind's eternal home. JWs showed this to people for almost a hundred years from the KJV and the ASV, before the NWT came out.

"Evildoers will be cut off, but those hoping in Jehovah are the ones that will possess the earth....The righteous will possess the earth, and they will reside FOREVER upon it." (Psalm 37:9,29)

I and others on these threads have explained the meaning of "worship," and we don't see any necessity in changing anything the Bible says. Worship is relative, and it means giving homage or respect to an individual. We "worship" court judges by showing them respect when we stand when they enter the room. But we don't worship them as God. There is only ONE individual that we worship as God Almighty, and that is Jehovah, the Father and God of Jesus. (John 20:17) JWs have not changed any word "worship" to mean instead "obey." That is not what we teach. "Obey" has another meaning entirely. You are wrong in what you say JWs believe. You make many statements which you cannot substantiate.

JWs have never said that the teaching of the scriptures on faith and morals is "not infallible." Those Biblical teachings ARE infallible. It is the men who take the lead that are not infallible, and they admit it readily. I think, BTW, that anyone can see that the RCC does not take morals, as taught in the Bible, seriously. Anyone who knows any history would see this. Is it moral to molest children? The RCC seems to find no fault in such actions.

You're even off concerning the year Charles Taze Russell began an intense study of the Bible. It was the late 1800s, and it corresponds with Bible teachings that "knowledge will become abundant in the last days." (See Daniel 12:4,9; Matthew 13:24-30, 36-40.)

Christ promised to be with his Church, and the RCC isn't it. In fact, it is the apostate church that Jesus, Paul, John and Peter warned about. Paul said, "I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, and from among you men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." (Acts 20:29,30)

What you are presenting is what doesn't make sense.

[RightReason]

[Replying to onewithhim]

you say that the idea of an earthly paradise is "a common theme in religions that deny the divinity of Christ."

Yes, just like I said, it is common for these groups to think there is some material reward waiting for them. JWs, just like Muslims and Mormons fall into this heresy. It makes sense. If Jesus is minimized, why desire to become one with Him? I think it also boils down to lack of faith. Its like we can believe there is a higher being out there, but we still arent ready to give up the material things of this world. We feel this need to cling to these things and cant trust enough that God is bigger and better than all that.

Mormons don't put any stock in the Bible, just the Book of Mormon which is a clunker.

You do realize many make the same criticism about JW. They only put stock in the Watchtower Society.

"Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book," (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, p. 402).

"All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah's channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave," (Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1994, p. 8).

JWs aren't "missing the person of Jesus Christ" at all. We accept everything he did and said, as well as the entire Bible---any version you want to talk about.

Except where He said, Truly, truly I say to you unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you. . . For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. . . . For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

He died so that humanity could CONTINUE to occupy the earth

This makes me a little sad. He died so we could be with Him in heaven.

Its simple really . . . I want to love God, therefore, to be united with Him, therefore, to be in heaven. . .

Did God create the earth to eventually be demolished? There is nothing in Scripture that says so.

You keep saying this, but weve already discussed this. You deny that God knew Adam and Eve were going to sin. Your He chose not to know theory is not Scriptural and quite frankly knowing what we do know about God " illogical.

"For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, the Former of the earth, the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it to be inhabited..." (Isaiah 45:18)

Uh yeah and it is.

Scripture does NOT contradict JW teaching.

It absolutely does. It might not always appear so to the JW because the Watchtower Society has made sure to change Sacred Scripture to disguise the contradiction. I guess it depends what year NWT Bible you are reading as to whether the contradiction will be obvious.

I and others on these threads have explained the meaning of "worship," and we don't see any necessity in changing anything the Bible says.

And yet at some point you thought the word worship would undermine JW theology if used in regards to Jesus, so JWs changed it. Now when caught in faulty translation, JWs resort back to saying, well worship is relative. LOL.

it corresponds with Bible teachings that "knowledge will become abundant in the last days." (See Daniel 12:4,9; Matthew 13:24-30, 36-40.)

Wow, quote mining at its finest. Not unlike fortune tellers and psychics, its fun to take isolated verses and sentence fragments and apply them to whatever we like " feels so official. LOL

Christ promised to be with his Church, and the RCC isn't it. In fact it is the apostate church that Jesus, Paul, John and Peter warned about. Paul said, "I know that after my going away oppressive wolves will enter in among you and will not treat the flock with tenderness, andfrom among you men will rise and speak twisted things to draw away the disciples after themselves." (Acts 20:29,30)

This couldnt possibly be referring to people like Luther and many others who since the beginning of the Church have attempted to teach falsehoods and lead people astray. And yet Jesus did not say, therefore when that happens I will start a new church " keep a look out for it centuries later and keep an ear out for a man named Russell. Instead, regardless of the problems the Church could expect to face in the years to come, Christ said I will remain with my Church. He who listens to you, listens to me.

What you are presenting is what doesn't make sense.

I know you think that, but you are simply mistaken. I hope you understand some day.