What are the attributes of God?+

[paarsurrey1]

+ And what attributes among them are neither physical nor spiritual?

Regards

[marco]

Since we are not in Islam or Pagan (I forget the name of that subforum) but in Christianity and Aplologetics subforum, I think it fair to presume the OP is referring to the Christian God of the bible ie YHWH the Father and Creator.

But if Allah is regarded as a cousin of Yahweh or indeed his alter ego then it's surely acceptable to contemplate what he has for breakfast, what colour of beard he has and whether he inspired Michelangelo to paint that wonderful picture of him with Adam. If we want to know God's attributes, the quickest way if to ask him. Surely?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 1 by paarsurrey1]

When creating a new thread please give a little more context than what has been given. This seems to be an overflow thread.


Also, please clarify what "God" you are referring to. Allah, Zeus, YHWH, Aristotle's unmoveable mover?

Since we are not in Islam or Pagan (I forget the name of that subforum) but in Christianity and Aplologetics subforum, I think it fair to presume the OP is refering to the Christian God of the bible ie YHWH the Father and Creator.

How many times must it be demonstrated that no creation is needed? The universe makes sense without creation.
Creation is a myth of peoples who don't understand basic science. The 'conservation of mass.' A proven principal.

I'll ask you once more to consider hydrogen, what 99% of the known universe is made of... it is immortal, unless changed by a star or similar phenomenon. I t has existed as it is since the Big Bang - which was a transformation event, not a creation one.

There is no reason to suspect that 'conservation of mass' is violated, except to prove something that needs it to exist.

[marco]

There is no reason to suspect that 'conservation of mass' is violated, except to prove something that needs it to exist.

Unfortunately this reasonable view wasn't communicated to the woeful Jeremiah or Abraham or to Moses or to Peter or indeed to Muhammad. Instead, we have a poetic version of the Hydrogen God creating limbs from dust and then performing surgery, in a primitive fashion, on Adam. That seems more convincing. It suggests that one of God's attributes is an anaesthetic and a scalpel.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 13 by marco]

Except, upon reflection, that isn't very 'reasonable' either, is it?
God created everything from nothing, but Eve required Adam's rib?

Um...
Hum...

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[JP Cusick]

JP, it would be nice if you got into the habit of defining terms and defending propositions based on those terms.

I must say that God is not really a Spirit because God created the Spirit world before creating the physical world.

What do you mean by Spirit? Do you mean incorporeal?

I agree that there is no true definition of spirit or spiritual, and I knew that when I made my comment.

If we say that Angels and Demons are spirits (and I say they are) then if God is a spirit then is God the highest ranking Angel? certainly not. But it could be said that Jesus is the highest ranking spirit - and yet the Father is something more.

Jesus was a physical person so He was not incorporeal.

What is God? ~ that is a question which we have superficial answers based on our limited language, but otherwise we just do not know what is God? and if God is not physical (not corporeal) then God might be defined as being nothing.

[marco]

[Replying to post 13 by marco]

Except, upon reflection, that isn't very 'reasonable' either, is it?
God created everything from nothing, but Eve required Adam's rib?

Um...
Hum...

?

Yes, I was being uncharacteristically ironic, Willum. I don't for a half-second think that God taking a rib from his newly created clay model is "reasonable." I've just been reading an account of how Genesis is a borrowing from various older myths. I wonder if Yahweh knows he's a borrowing.

[William]

+ And what attributes among them are neither physical nor spiritual?

I must say that God is not really a Spirit because God created the Spirit world before creating the physical world.

As such even the Spirits of the Spirit world do not correctly know what is the Creator God.

I do say that the real Creator God can be seen in its attributes and qualities, much like science does for magnetism and gravity which are invisible and are not physical.

God is some kind of an absolute, but for us the absolute qualities or attributes are by far the hardest to find.

As in any absolute Truth is an absolute attribute of God, and extreme or absolute love is another attribute of God, and I expect that absolute courage is another attribute.

For a long time I have equated the word 'spirit' with the word 'attitude'. A motivated attitude.

I think as far as absolutes go, GOD is absolutely conscious and consciousness is absolutely GOD.

GOD is absolutely eternal, absolutely never having had a beginning.

I think our particular positions cannot understand 'what GOD is' in any manner which can be seen as full knowledge on the overall GOD-being - the best we can do is get the gist.

As some kind of example, the large black areas of the fractal can be representative of 'GOD' consciousness in the image below...



...and those branching off colored areas represent what is happening in the mind of GOD and our universe is represented as just one of those points in the blue area, top right hand corner of the image below...



We can see how GOD is connected to all things created within ITS mind, and how deep down that rabbit hole we are in relation to this.

We are the conscious representation of GOD in relation to our position here in this universe on this planet, and I find that it is easy enough to forgive us our ignorance when understanding OUR position in relation to GODs position when using such imagery as an example.

The GODs of human construct, are more indicators than actual representations, of 'what GOD is'.

Altogether they [The GODs of human construct] seem to give the best impression, but on their own and in conflict with one another, they simply muddy the waters. A particular ignorance I find hard to accept, because it seems to be instigated by willfulness.

The idea of GOD simply cannot be owned by an religious organisation and still be considered true.

[paarsurrey1]

Since we are not in Islam or Pagan (I forget the name of that subforum) but in Christianity and Aplologetics subforum, I think it fair to presume the OP is referring to the Christian God of the bible ie YHWH the Father and Creator.

But if Allah is regarded as a cousin of Yahweh or indeed his alter ego then it's surely acceptable to contemplate what he has for breakfast, what colour of beard he has and whether he inspired Michelangelo to paint that wonderful picture of him with Adam. If we want to know God's attributes, the quickest way if to ask him. Surely?

Christianity, as the name suggests, must belong to and base on the concepts, teachings, and deeds of Jesus. I understand that Jesus was a follower of Moses aka a Jew as was his mother Mary and as such he believed in YHVH- the One-True-God. Different nations/region may have different names of God due to the difference of languages but to me, they believe in the same God. These differences could be easily removed by comparing the notes and understanding the attribute of God:

[7:181] And to Allah alone belong all perfect attributes. So call on Him by these. And leave alone those who deviate from the right way with respect to His attributes. They shall be repaid for what they do.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/s ... &verse=180

Jesus' truthful teachings/concepts/deeds need to be understood and spread to the humanity.

Regards

[Willum]

[Replying to post 18 by paarsurrey1]

It has been demonstrated to you that Jesus did a terrible job of following Mosaic Law.

[JP Cusick]

It has been demonstrated to you that Jesus did a terrible job of following Mosaic Law.

It is known by everyone who reads the Gospel that Jesus did not really approve of the Mosaic laws, and Jesus demands so much more.

The scribes and Pharisees at that time did not approve of Jesus, or of Jesus giving a new interpretation of the law and the Prophets.

Jesus did do His job just right for what He came there to do.