Why can't Jesus come already?

[2Dbunk]

We've recently had innocent children gassed; school children killed enmass. pedestrians run over in large cities. So when will Jesus say "enough is enough" and come down and save those loyal to him before more of them defect to Donald Trump?

Some may think this is a dare by a disgruntled Atheist -- and they would be right! Enough of superstitious religion in everyman and woman's face, having to prove nothing but reveling and bragging about stupefying expectations. Why isn't "He" down here already, sending me to hell for my apostasy and delivering the brain dead to their ecstasy? Has anyone really thought about the multitudes just these past few weeks, that, because of their evil, will be consigned to everlasting brimstone. The Christian God and his son, knowing all this, are sadistic to the nth degree to allow it to continue. Can anyone logically defend the actions of this Dynamic Duo?

PS - I don't hate God, mainly because he doesn't exist (certainly not the personal kind, anyway).

[Elijah John]

We've recently had innocent children gassed; school children killed enmass. pedestrians run over in large cities. So when will Jesus say "enough is enough" and come down and save those loyal to him before more of them defect to Donald Trump?

Some may think this is a dare by a disgruntled Atheist -- and they would be right! Enough of superstitious religion in everyman and woman's face, having to prove nothing but reveling and bragging about stupefying expectations. Why isn't "He" down here already, sending me to hell for my apostasy and delivering the brain dead to their ecstasy? Has anyone really thought about the multitudes just these past few weeks, that, because of their evil, will be consigned to everlasting brimstone. The Christian God and his son, knowing all this, are sadistic to the nth degree to allow it to continue. Can anyone logically defend the actions of this Dynamic Duo?

PS - I don't hate God, mainly because he doesn't exist (certainly not the personal kind, anyway).

Jesus was supposed to have returned in the liftime of his apostles, according to Mathew 16.28 and more than a few other verses by various NT authors.

Evil in the world is a mystery, that's for sure. Atrributing it to some mythic Garden fall doesn't help much to aleviate human suffering.

But any good we do find in this imperfect world is no doubt from God, if indeed there is a God.

And we believers cling to the hope that somehow, sometime He will bring sense to it all, and healing.

By the way, what is a non-personal God I often hear skeptics refer to? What would be an example?

[2Dbunk]

By the way, what is a non-personal God I often hear skeptics refer to? What would be an example?

The God that Albert Einstein makes mention of, if not subscribed to --the watchmaker who set the universe in motion and without prejudice stepped aside as it winds down. I am not a follower of the Eastern Religions but I suspect their gods are impersonal also. The notion of a personal god that intervenes or answers prayer is a self-centered concept (a guardian angel who sets on one's shoulder) of a person's wished-for immortality.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 3 by 2Dbunk]

A personal God a"self centered" concept? Even when that personal God challenges his devotees to go beyond themselves, to deny themselves and to treat others as they themselves would like to be treated?

Is the "impersonal God", the "watchmaker God" aware of His Creation? Or should I say "It's" Creation? I do recall that one Unitarian I met described God as being a force like a "formula" with no more consciousness than a "formula". "Formulas" have no awareness.

How is it then, that lesser consciousness, (we humans) arise from the unconscious, the non-conscious? Instead of arising from the Great Consciousness, God? (this is not a question about evolution, but a rhetorical one.)

[tam]

Peace to you,


The "god" you are talking about, who knows?


But the God and Father of Christ? No.

The God and Father of Christ has timed the return of His Son "to the nth degree", according to His knowledge and wisdom.



Returning too soon or too late will cause harm. Perhaps even be disastrous.


So you may say, 'but look at all the harm already happening'... and I will say that this is nothing new. Man has always killed and harmed his fellow man (including women and children).


That does not mean that God is willing to risk and perhaps harm the lives of His own children, or risk His creation. He knows how it all turns out, according to the timing He already SET.



**

There are a couple things that must happen first; one being that the 144 000 will all be sealed (spoken of in Revelation). That also means that they have to at least be BORN (so as to be able to also come to Christ). So that would be part of the timing that has been worked out to the 'nth' degree.



Perhaps one of them is even one of your loved ones.




Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[2Dbunk]

A personal God a"self centered" concept? Even when that personal God challenges his devotees to go beyond themselves, to deny themselves and to treat others as they themselves would like to be treated?

Why is that necessary? Any secular ethical system demands the same: the law of reciprocity known to Christians as "the Golden Rule" was practiced ages before Jesus.

I say self-centered because the Christian - Jewish - Moslem subject is always beseeching their god to intervene in this way or protect them from that. If that isn't a personal protector or intervenor then I'll eat my hat.

Is the "impersonal God", the "watchmaker God" aware of His Creation? Or should I say "It's" Creation? I do recall that one Unitarian I met described God as being a force like a "formula" with no more consciousness than a "formula". "Formulas" have no awareness.

To answer your question I would have to be more interested in metaphysics than I am now. How would I know what this hypothetical watchmaker is aware of -- it was Einstein's metaphor, not mine. I no longer rationalize these things like your Unitarian acquaintance does.

How is it then, that lesser consciousness, (we humans) arise from the unconscious, the non-conscious? Instead of arising from the Great Consciousness, God? (this is not a question about evolution, but a rhetorical one.)

This is a good example of "the God-of-the gaps." Consciousness, like many other unanswered questions, is a mystery, like lightening and eclipses were millennia ago. Like then, it is easy to explain away such provoking phenomena today -- but some day an answer will be found if we don't destroy ourselves first.

[William]

I think it more than reasonable to think that the story of Jesus returning was created in order to pacify and dis-empower the masses.

Human beings have the potential to make living on this this planet a great deal better than it is presently - or ever has been.

The things promised with the event are achievable through human cooperation. When millions of Christians are simply going along with materialist secularism on the belief that they cannot do anything to change it and anyway, Jesus is coming back to fix the world, then that is millions of people who possibly brought into a fabrication in order that they can have their cake and eat it too.

Perhaps it is something like, if we do actually achieve making the world that kind of place, then what need is there of Jesus?
Maybe the way to think is that Jesus planted a seed and whether it grows or not depends on the people themselves. They are the 'ground' the seed is planted in. What kind of 'ground' is that, is up to the people. There is nothing greater than doing something for ourselves rather than simply having it handed to us.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by 2Dbunk]

Logically if God doesn't exist He cannot intervene. What's to discuss?

Why aren't you asking when humans will bring an end to human suffering, they're the ones causing it. Surely we're closer to humans solving our problems since we can trust politicians to keep their promises and the greedy and corrupt look like they're about to give up all their money and power, the way they have throughout history.

And chemtrails.

[2Dbunk]

Logically if God doesn't exist He cannot intervene. What's to discuss?

Why aren't you asking when humans will bring an end to human suffering, they're the ones causing it. Surely we're closer to humans solving our problems since we can trust politicians to keep their promises and the greedy and corrupt look like they're about to give up all their money and power, the way they have throughout history.

Okay, I'll answer that: THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE !! One aberration = One sick puppy. 100,000 aberrations = 100,000 sick puppies. In this case, the more is not necessarily always the merrier. Okay, there are millions more sharing happy times as well. But there are more aberrations to deal with -- news media dwell on the aberrations, not the good times. Other people's misery sell papers. My point is in the OP: with all the additional aberrations mounting daily, You'd have to be one sadistic deity to continue to add to the roles that will be consigned to hell! Why would one subscribe to a god who is so inclined to be sadistic?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 9 by 2Dbunk]

But I thought the OP was built on the prerequisite there is no God.

Or is your OP to discuss how inactive nothing is?