God kills 70000 Israelites!!!

[alexxcJRO]

According to the perfect inerrant word of God(Bible) the omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent Yahweh kills 70,000 Israelites including countless of innocent(of any wrong-doing, sin) small children, infants for the sin of one man(David) after he or Satan incites him to sin:

2 Samuel 24

“David Enrolls the Fighting Men
24 Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, “Go and take a census of Israel and Judah.�
2 So the king said to Joab and the army commanders[a] with him, “Go throughout the tribes of Israel from Dan to Beersheba and enroll the fighting men, so that I may know how many there are.�
3 But Joab replied to the king, “May the LORD your God multiply the troops a hundred times over, and may the eyes of my lord the king see it. But why does my lord the king want to do such a thing?�
4 The king’s word, however, overruled Joab and the army commanders; so they left the presence of the king to enroll the fighting men of Israel.
5 After crossing the Jordan, they camped near Aroer, south of the town in the gorge, and then went through Gad and on to Jazer. 6 They went to Gilead and the region of Tahtim Hodshi, and on to Dan Jaan and around toward Sidon. 7 Then they went toward the fortress of Tyre and all the towns of the Hivites and Canaanites. Finally, they went on to Beershebain the Negev of Judah.
8 After they had gone through the entire land, they came back to Jerusalem at the end of nine months and twenty days.
9 Joab reported the number of the fighting men to the king: In Israel there were eight hundred thousand able-bodied men who could handle a sword, and in Judah five hundred thousand.
10 David was conscience-stricken after he had counted the fighting men, and he said to the LORD, “I have sinned greatly in what I have done. Now, LORD, I beg you, take away the guilt of your servant. I have done a very foolish thing.�
11 Before David got up the next morning, the word of the LORD had come to Gad the prophet, David’s seer: 12 “Go and tell David, ‘This is what the LORD says: I am giving you three options. Choose one of them for me to carry out against you.’�
13 So Gad went to David and said to him, “Shall there come on you three years of famine in your land? Or three months of fleeing from your enemies while they pursue you? Or three days of plague in your land? Now then, think it over and decide how I should answer the one who sent me.�
14 David said to Gad, “I am in deep distress. Let us fall into the hands of the LORD, for his mercy is great; but do not let me fall into human hands.�
15 So the LORD sent a plague on Israel from that morning until the end of the time designated, and seventy thousand of the people from Dan to Beersheba died. 16 When the angel stretched out his hand to destroy Jerusalem, the LORD relented concerning the disaster and said to the angel who was afflicting the people, “Enough! Withdraw your hand.� The angel of the LORD was then at the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.
17 When David saw the angel who was striking down the people, he said to the LORD, “I have sinned; I, the shepherd,[c] have done wrong. These are but sheep. What have they done? Let your hand fall on me and my family.� “

Observation: The account in 1 Chronicles is different then the account in 2 Samuel. (So much for the perfect, inerrant word of God)

Someone would wonder what abominable sin David committed that angered God so much to make him act in such horrendous way: killing tens of thousands of men, woman and children.

Hold on your straps people, here it comes: He did a census!!!

Imagine that. The poor guy did a census and Yahweh in his perfect wisdom, justice, benevolence decided that the punishment suited for this was not to punish in some way the person guilty of the wrong-doing, sin but instead kill 70 000 people innocent of this wrong-doing, sin; kill thousands of small children, infants who are innocent of any wrong-doing, sin.

David even asks a very wise question to God. Why punish others when he was the one guilty:

“I have sinned; I, the shepherd,[c] have done wrong. These are but sheep. What have they done?�

Off course the perfect God of the Bible does not answer the question. How would he?!!!

Q: How can anyone be so oblivious to such a huge discrepancy, contradiction between the supposed attributes of God (omnipotence, omniscience, omnibenevolence, perfect wisdom, justice, mercy) and the actions of this being portrait in the Bible?

Q: How can anyone praise, worship a being that inflicts so easily, so much suffering and death to thousands of innocent children? How can one call this being benevolent or wise or loving?

Q: How can anyone in their right mind, with their rational faculties intact defend such actions and not smell the foul stench of nonsense rotting their brain?

[William]

[Replying to post 226 by bluethread]

Okay - so in relation to the analogy, was there anything else to add to this list before you go on?

[bluethread]

[Replying to post 226 by bluethread]

Okay - so in relation to the analogy, was there anything else to add to this list before you go on?

Well, I thought I wrapped it up. The person is stopped, is reassured in their devotion and the lesson regarding generally accepted practice of the time is learned in dramatic fashion, that can be passed down from generation to generation.

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 226 by bluethread]

Okay - so in relation to the analogy, was there anything else to add to this list before you go on?

Sure. It should be noted that biblegod blessed Abraham for his willingness to murder his son.

Biblegod's stance is clearly pro-murder of innocent humans.

When biblegod doesn't like something humans do, he murders 70,000 innocent people as the OP has documented.

When biblegod does like humans obeying it's direction to commit murder, it blesses them.

Both stories lead to the same conclusion. Biblegod loves murder.

[William]

[Replying to post 232 by bluethread]

Well, I thought I wrapped it up.

Well okay. Now we can proceed with the overall debate in question, which involves the idea of human sacrifice and the biblical idea of GOD

The person is stopped, is reassured in their devotion and the lesson regarding generally accepted practice of the time is learned in dramatic fashion, that can be passed down from generation to generation.

Right.

It has been mentioned that animal sacrifice apparently became a substitute for human sacrifice in relation to something called atonement.
I see you have said that the subject of animal sacrifice veers off the topic but I think that it is relevant to the story and the idea of the biblical GOD.

It appears some deadly form of activity is required by the GOD in relation to matters of atonement, and these where in the form of beasts rather than plants, perhaps because beasts behave in a similar manner as humans in relation to being slaughtered - especially as innocents.

Going along with the theme that the GOD is anti-human sacrifice, can we see anything within the bible that [he] might also be anti any form of sacrifice that involves the death of a living, self conscious innocent?

Also to note, While the practice of human sacrifice in relation to the innocent was seen to be unacceptable to the GOD, it appears that it was not a problem in relation to the guilty and the law, as with stoning or burning individuals to death for transgressing such law. So this would appear to be a case of the GOD not being totally anti human sacrifice, but only anti human sacrifice of innocents.

Also - as no doubt you are aware - the argument you present re the biblical GOD being anti human sacrifice appears to fall on it's face in light of one of the pillars of Christianity involving Jesus, that being the sacrifice of an apparently innocent human being, through the will of a GOD.