Giving Up Sin to be a Christian

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Giving Up Sin to be a Christian

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Many Christian apologists tend to get a bit frustrated with the skeptics. All of the apologists' arguments and evidence often just don't convince many atheists and other unbelievers. How can those arguments and evidences fail to convince? So often the only answer to this question rests on the belief that the skeptics must be unwilling to give up their sin to become Christians. So...

Question for Debate: What sin might any of you unbelievers need to give up to become Christians?

Personally, I suppose I would need to give up swearing, cursing, and looking at porn although I know it's common for Christians to indulge in these sins.

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07-07-07 wrote: I don't have time to respond, but one must confess their sins to the Lord to obtain forgiveness, not man. And, one must forsake their sins too.
Neither of these point support your orginal claim that children of God, the so-called "Saints," otherwise known as true Christians (tm) don't sin.

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Then you obviously don't consider yourself to be a liar. How so? Are you saying you never lied?
I used to be a liar, but Jesus made me a new person, so I don't lie nor do I knowingly sin anymore.
And just for the record, I've noticed that Christians lie about as often as non Christians do. So aside from very young children, it looks like almost everybody will end up in the lake of fire assuming the cruel and violent eschatology of Christianity is true.
You obviously have never encountered a true believer who has been born from above; or, you're simply lying again.
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[Replying to post 51 by Bust Nak]
Neither of these point support your orginal claim that children of God, the so-called "Saints," otherwise known as true Christians (tm) don't sin.
I don't need your affirmation of who I am and the truth that I live by. The Scriptures speak truth, and I follow them.

Romans 6
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
[17] But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
[18] Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

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07-07-07 wrote:I used to be a liar, but Jesus made me a new person, so I don't lie nor do I knowingly sin anymore.
You may be the first Christian I ever met who doesn't lie or sin in some other way. It is an amazing accomplishment on your part! But isn't pride a sin?
07-07-07 wrote:You obviously have never encountered a true believer who has been born from above...
Aside from yourself, I suppose I never did encounter such a person. All the Christians I've ever met are about the same as unbelievers sinning much like they do if not moreso.

07-07-07 wrote:...or, you're simply lying again.
What past lies do you accuse me of?

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07-07-07 wrote:

You obviously have never encountered a true believer who has been born from above; or, you're simply lying again.


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You obviously have never encountered a true believer who has been born from above; or, you're simply lying again.


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I find it interesting that we Christians are accused of lying by a poster, but you said nothing; that's very telling.

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07-07-07 wrote: I find it interesting that we Christians are accused of lying by a poster, but you said nothing; that's very telling.
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07-07-07 wrote:I find it interesting that we Christians are accused of lying by a poster, but you said nothing; that's very telling.
The best way to handle any situation in which you think a falsehood is being posted is to post a direct quotation of the statement you think is false and then explain why you think the statement is false. As far as I'm concerned you are very welcome to challenge the truth of anything I post. I always conduct myself with integrity in this forum and everywhere else, and if I am wrong, then I want to know that I erred and what my error is. So please post whatever I said that you think is wrong, and then I will properly address the supposed error.

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07-07-07 wrote:I find it interesting that we Christians are accused of lying by a poster, but you said nothing; that's very telling.
The best way to handle any situation in which you think a falsehood is being posted is to post a direct quotation of the statement you think is false and then explain why you think the statement is false. As far as I'm concerned you are very welcome to challenge the truth of anything I post. I always conduct myself with integrity in this forum and everywhere else, and if I am wrong, then I want to know that I erred and what my error is. So please post whatever I said that you think is wrong, and then I will properly address the supposed error.
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I understand. I simply want fair treatment. I stand for and live by God's Holy Bible. The topic of this discussion is: Giving Up Sin to be a Christian -- and that's exactly what it takes to be a Christian. Jesus laid out a narrow road to obtain salvation. The Saints of God will inherit eternal life and sinners will inherit eternal damnation in hell fire. The fires in California and Queensland, Austrailia are a prelude of what life is like in hell fire.[/font]

Jesus said:

Matthew 7
[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

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07-07-07 wrote:The Saints of God will inherit eternal life and sinners will inherit eternal damnation in hell fire. The fires in California and Queensland, Austrailia are a prelude of what life is like in hell fire.
Isn't it a sin to torture people in fire? Our modern secular morality has moved beyond such barbarism. Civilized people no longer approve of torture. The Christian belief in eternal damnation arose in a place and time in which people were angry over being conquered by the Roman Empire. Most of the Jews in particular hated the Romans and wanted the Romans out of Israel. So it should come as no surprise at all that some of the Jews adopted belief in an angry and violent god of war who would punish the Romans in the worst way imaginable. The way those Jews imagined the Romans would be punished became the Christian dogma of eternal hellfire which was expanded as the fate for all those who did not believe in Jesus.

So my point here is that Christian belief is a kind of sin if we understand sin as a violent and bloodthirsty lust for revenge.

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