The age of miracles

[Athetotheist]

It's not really my intention to make a whole thread out of this; I just mean to pose a question as a point of curiosity: Can anyone refer me to textual evidence that the age of miracles was to end with the passing of the apostles?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 1 by Athetotheist]

We must read all of the New Testament to see what actually went on. Are there any situations recorded where anyone was brought back to life, spoke in tongues, or spoke ideas obtained directly from God, after the Apostles died? There is no evidence that any of these things were carried on after they died.

If you want to cite Catholic priests and monks, you are in another realm of what's true and what's not. It is clear to anyone who wants to dig deep and research, that those priests and monks and nuns of the Church were not living according to Christ's standards, and neither were they teaching his instructions and the truths that he spoke.

The Great Apostasy descended on the world en force after the death of John at the end of the first century.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 4 by polonius]

Yes, all those Catholic miracles are untrue, as well as modern-day evangelistic "miracles." If Fatima and Lourdes were above-board and true, don't you think that the whole world would be healed by now?

There have been certain "miracles," such as the bleeding or crying of a statue, or stigmata on a person, but those are not from God. Even the appearances of Mary are not from God. Satan has some power in this world, and if he wishes to fool people, he can do so. He or his angels can even appear as someone's dead loved one!

Satan is laughing his head off at the people who believe his charades.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 8 by Tcg]

We believe that "what is complete" refers to the completion of the writings of the true disciples of Jesus, and they were completed by the Apostle John. After the writings of the Apostles were concluded, there was no need for the miracles, since miracles were instituted in the first place to show the people that God had placed His blessing on the new Christian congregation. The Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament) is all anybody needed, because they include everything we need to know about Jesus and his teachings.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 9 by tam]

The gifts of the Spirit were passed on only by the Apostles (Paul being an honorary one). No one else has passed them on. Except Satan. What is now considered legitimate "speaking in tongues" is, in this day and age, unintelligible babbling, with people doing so with no respect for the rules that Paul enumerated, such as letting one person speak at a time, & always someone to interpret, etc.. Sometimes the babbling is interpreted as foul language, if it can be interpreted at all.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 9 by tam]

That was a quotation from Joel chapter 2, which referred to the last days of the rabbinic system of things, which were transferred over, in God's estimation, to the Christian congregation, boldly set forth at Pentecost. Didn't Peter actually say that the verses from Joel applied to them there that day, on Pentecsot?

Neither Joel nor Peter were referring to the last days that we are in now.

[onewithhim]

I see no scripture indicating that miracles had an expiration date. Maybe they are few and far because we believe we can't do them? "your belief has saved you. Go and sin no more."

Please read ALL of the posts on this thread, and after you do, comment on this subject, with knowledge of both sides. There is, indeed, a good argument for the cessation of miracles.

[onewithhim]

Peace to you,

[Replying to post 17 by tam]
A known flawed way to read the Bible. The conclusion is drawn first and then one goes and finds scripture to support it. This is an example of eisegesis.

This could be said of anything that is supported by what is written.

Job 33 is not saying God speaks to everyone through dreams.

Job 33 says that God speaks to men in dreams. Anything beyond that is going to be something you are adding to the text.

I assume that we can agree that God speaks to whomever He chooses in dreams.

Compare any dream you have had to one spoken of in the Bible. I am certain nothing will compare.

I once had three invitations to attend three different halls for the Memorial (so that I could give witness to my Lord and obey His command to eat and drink). I asked my Lord to which I should go. In my dream, my Lord showed me present at the place I was to go and among those people... and then at that Memorial, He also gave me His words to say to the speaker. The dream was a message for me, in answer to my question, but it was about bearing witness to Him and being sent where (and to whom) He said to go.

Now I know exactly who is speaking to you. Jesus would NEVER tell you to go to a Memorial and show the celebrants that we ALL should partake of the emblems that are meant for the 144,000 anointed ones. It is sad for you if you do not realize just who is manipulating you.

[onewithhim]

No more miracles? You actually believe that?

The Sea of Reeds were parted during the exodus from Egypt. Would you call that a miracle?
Of course Christians say that was a miracle.

Well thats nothing compared to the miracle that is happening in our lifetime. A miracle that is prophecied in the scriptures more times than anything else. And that is the Jews returning to Israel after a 2000 year exile.

Please tell me where in the Hebrew Scriptures it is foretold that the Jews would return to Israel after 2,000 years.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 23 by Avoice]

I have told you before that I am a Christian and I ABHOR the display of Jesus on the cross. Did you bother to read MY posts?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 20 by Avoice]

Actually the issue is, do people still have the gift of performing miracles. Like resurrection of the dead, speaking in tongues, healing deaf/blind/deathly ill etc. The wondrous actions that the apostles performed after Pentecost 33 CE.

Three planes landing at the same time happens daily and is an act of skill. A person raising a person from the dead is act of God.

RESPONSE: Since the four books of the New Testament were written between 70 and 95 AD by non-witnesses, your "performing miracles" evidence argument isn't really too credible, is it?

I remember telling you before on some thread that the majority of the writers of the New Testament knew Jesus very well, and most followed him during his preaching campaign. Matthew, John, Peter, James, Jude, and Paul (chosen and commissioned by Jesus after he went back to heaven) were such. I think even Mark knew Jesus and the Apostles.

So your on-going statement that the N.T. was written by "non-witnesses" is blatantly false. So please stop saying things that are not true. You will be guilty of mis-leading unsuspecting new ones.