The Checkmate Question

[SallyF]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

[1213]

Yahweh is nothing more than a bronze age warlord

Please explain why you believe Yahweh is a bronze age warlord. And why should anyone believe you?

You don't need much imagination to produce that. On the other hand, there are thousands of other gods and fictional characters that demonstrate far more creative imagination on the part of human beings.

Please show one example?

The Bible contains no knowledge beyond what was available to people at the time and perhaps some lucky guesses and coincidences when you consider what dedicated research has revealed to this day.

I disagree with that. I think Bible has for example better (more reasonable) explanation for modern continents. Also, the knowledge about how Jews were scattered and now, several thousand years later, gathered back, as told in the Bible. I think humans just would not be able to that knowledge without God. Without God people seem to develop ridiculous ideas like evolution theory.

People continue to show the mistakes contained in the Bible but for the die-hard believer that is all just like water off a duck's back.

Funny how atheist like to declare them winners without any merit. Reminds me of Democratic party in USA.

But anyway, till this day, no atheist has managed to show any mistake in Bible, only in their own interpretations.

[SallyF]

EXAMPLE

Is the genocidal biblical god Jehovah just as imaginary as the Egyptian god Osiris …?

Do we have evidence that people have IMAGINED the Jehovah god …?

Yes we do:




Do we have evidence that people have IMAGINED the Osiris god …?

Yes we do:




Do we have evidence of the existence of the Jehovah god OUTSIDE of human imagination …?

No we don't.


Do we have evidence of the existence of the Osiris god OUTSIDE of human imagination …?

No we don't.


Jehovah therefore is JUST AS IMAGINARY as Osiris.

This can be done for any god we wish to name.

The OP question is NOT loaded.

And the genocidal biblical Jehovah GOD is NEVER shown to be anything other than IMAGINARY.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by SallyF]

I checked in the bible I got in Sunday School over fifty years ago and Jehovah is not a biblical deity at all. Baal is a biblical deity, and Satan, but I can't find Jehovah anywhere. So, the evidence seems to suggest that the biblical deity Jehovah is NOT just as imaginary as any other god, but in fact is MORE imaginary than some other deities which are actually 'biblical'.

Hello Stooge, welcome to the forum. I have a feeling you and SallyF are going to get along really well. Stooge, Sally...SallyF may I present TrinityStooge.

As to your point, JEHOVAH is the English transliteration of the tretragrammaton, which evidently occured around 7000 times in the original texts.


Warm Regards,



JW (JEHOVAHS WITNESS)

[Difflugia]

Please explain why you believe Yahweh is a bronze age warlord.

The Song of Deborah (Judges 5) is considered by many scholars to be one of the oldest (if not the oldest) portions of the Old Testament, potentially dating it to the twelfth or eleventh century BCE. That would put it right around the end of the Bronze Age. While the descriptive imagery there is primarily of a storm god ("Yahweh, when you went forth out of Seir / When you marched out of the field of Edom / The earth trembled, the heavens also dropped / Yea, the clouds dropped water."), Yahweh is often referred to in the books of Samuel as "Yahweh Sabaoth," which means "Yahweh of Armies."

So, are you disputing that Yahweh was a god of the Bronze Age or that He was a warrior god?

But anyway, till this day, no atheist has managed to show any mistake in Bible, only in their own interpretations.

I understand that's true of the Qur'an, as well.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 44 by Difflugia]

I dont think there's any reason to object to describing YHWH (Jehovah) as a God of War, as long as one isn't suggesting that is all he is. To describe him as a bronze age God is somewhat misleading as it implies that He was worshipped only by those living in that period (and that worship subsequently died out).

[Tcg]

To describe him as a bronze age God is somewhat misleading as it implies that He was worshipped only by those living in that period (and that worship subsequently died out).

No, it doesn't. It refers to the date of his origin. The time period during which he was invented by humans.


Tcg

[SallyF]

The Checkmate Question

Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god …?

THIS is the OP question, folks.


The Cloak of Prophecy is flapping furiously …!!!

[Tiberius47]

My inerrant Cloak of Prophecy tells me that no Christian will give a straight answer to the Checkmate Question …

They NEVER do....

This may be because you specialize in loaded questions which I personally don't answer. I will consider making an exception here if you can tell me ....have you stopped beating your wife yet? . No denials, no premises, no explanations, no "wriggling and biggling or jiggling" just a straight answer...yes or no!

NOTE I wouldn't say you ask "checkmate" questions which implies intelligent manoeuvre respecting established rules, so much as loaded questions ie "trick question", which presupposes an unverified assumption that the person being questioned is likely to disagree with.

JW

So...

The "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" question is loaded because whether you answer yes or no, it implies that you have, at some point, beat your wife. I agree, this is a very badly worded question.

But how is, "Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god" a loaded question? True, it does suggest that other gods are imaginary, but is that something you disagree with?

[JehovahsWitness]

But how is, "Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god" a loaded question?

Whether they say "yes" or "no" the answer represents an admission that Jehovah is imaginary. That is a loaded question.

.... but is that something you disagree with?

Yes.

NOTE I wouldn't say "loaded questions" are necessarily "badly worded" questions (which implies the person asking didn't express themselves very well, ie failed to accurately communicate their idea (s)). Whether something is considered "badly worded" or "well put" depends to some extent at least on the intention. If the intent is to encourage open honest exchange then yes, "badly worded" would be a good description of such a question. If the intent was to trick a person into saying something they dont believe, shut down discussion and promote ones one opinion, then a loaded question is one of the best, if not the most honest, route to take. Like most tricks, loaded questions requires a certain level of skill to pull off successfully.

JW

[SallyF]

My inerrant Cloak of Prophecy tells me that no Christian will give a straight answer to the Checkmate Question …

They NEVER do....

This may be because you specialize in loaded questions which I personally don't answer. I will consider making an exception here if you can tell me ....have you stopped beating your wife yet? . No denials, no premises, no explanations, no "wriggling and biggling or jiggling" just a straight answer...yes or no!

NOTE I wouldn't say you ask "checkmate" questions which implies intelligent manoeuvre respecting established rules, so much as loaded questions ie "trick question", which presupposes an unverified assumption that the person being questioned is likely to disagree with.

JW

So...

The "Have you stopped beating your wife yet" question is loaded because whether you answer yes or no, it implies that you have, at some point, beat your wife. I agree, this is a very badly worded question.

But how is, "Is the biblical deity Jehovah just as imaginary as any other god" a loaded question? True, it does suggest that other gods are imaginary, but is that something you disagree with?

Christians are obviously NOT going to give a straight answer (and I think we know why).

So let's just play the "loaded question" deflection.

If I asked "Has Jehovah stopped being an imaginary god …?" …

THAT would be a loaded question.

HOWEVER …

One could simply answer the existing OP with: "No, Jehovah is NOT as imaginary as any other god, because Jehovah is NOT imaginary at all ... and let me just list out the vast amount of independently verifiable evidence I have to support my position".

The OP is NOT loaded.

I have already been through this above.

But it makes no difference to certain folks who don't want to acknowledge/admit that the genocidal biblical god Jehovah IS as imaginary as any other god …

There being a TOTAL absence of evidence of any sort whatsoever that Jehovah is anything other than imaginary.

A similar approach to this argument against Christianity has been taken in the "Jehovah and the Cartoon Carrot" thread.

(The pictures we use paint at least a thousand words of argument … especially the ones from Christian websites.)