Will the Parousia occur during our lifetime?

[polonius]

Jesus prophecized that the second coming would occur while some of his generation were still alive, but it didn't.

There is some claim that really occurred in 1914. But it didn't. So, what's the claim now?

www.britannica.com/topic/Jehovahs-Witnesses

The Adventist movement emerged in the 1830s around the predictions of William Miller, who proclaimed that Jesus Christ would return in 1843 or 1844.

When Christ did not return as Miller prophecied, Adventists divided into a number of factions.

During the 1870s, Charles Taze Russell established himself as an independent and controversial Adventist teacher.

He rejected belief in hell as a place of eternal torment and adopted a non-Trinitarian theology that denied the divinity of Jesus. He also interpreted the Second Coming in accordance with the literal translation of the original Greek term, parousia (presence), suggesting that Christ would come as an invisible presence and that the Parousia, or Millennial Dawn, already had occurred, in 1874.

The coming of Christs invisible presence signaled the end of the current order of society and would be followed by his visible presence and the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth in 1914.

Although the kingdom did not come, Russells teachings motivated a number of volunteers to circulate his many books and pamphlets and a periodical, The Watchtower, and to recalculate the time of the Parousia.

So when will Christ's visible presence and the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth occur?

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I understand your reasoning, but prefer to see the great crowd where the verse put them, standing before the throne.

One can be on the Earth an still be before the throne.

"This is what Jehovah says: The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool."" Isaiah 66:1. Compare Matt 5:34, 35.

No one puts a footstool behind a throne. According to Isaiah 66:1, if you're on Earth then there is no one that isn't before God's throne.

Those going to Heaven sit ON thrones. (Rev 20:4 and 3:21) There is no mention of the Great Crowd sitting on thrones.

Funny that. There is no mention of the Great Crowd being on earth either.

It doesn't have to. Those that study the Bible knows the purpose for the Earth and for mankind.

"For this is what Jehovah says, The Creator of the heavens, the true God, The One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, Who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited." Isaiah 45:18

"The righteous will possess the earth, And they will live forever on it." - Ps 37:29

Study the Bible? Amen.

Among the many things it tells us is that the first shall be last and the last shall be first, and that there are better promises.

Hebrews 11:
13 All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance, admitting that they were foreigners and strangers on earth.

14 People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. 15 If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return.

16 Instead, they were longing for a better country"a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

"With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: Look! The tent of God is with mankind, [not angels]and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them." Rev 21:3

Good verse. It tells us about the fulfilment of God's plan and original intention, that of heaven and earth coming together as one new heaven and new earth.

[Sojournerofthearth]

[Replying to post 102 by myth-one.com]

Except that it does say he will cut the time short... so... there's that.

Soj

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[Replying to post 103 by JehovahsWitness]

LOL! The bottom line is, don't worry about when exactly it's going to occur. Just know that at the appointed (by God) time, it will happen. Don't try to predict, because it is not for man to know the times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority. And... be ready.

Then why did He give us a sign?

He didn't. You only think He did, by human logic followed by presumption.

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We have travelled down that path, so I for one can understand your position although I disagree with it.
JW

So the sabbath is not a sign pointing to the Second Coming and Millennium?

There won't be a rest for the people of God?

That is the basis upon which my algorithm was formulated.

Any formulation or algorithm will not uncover any time or season that targets the return of Jesus.

The Sabbath is not a sign of his coming.

There will be a rest for the people of God. An eternal one.

[myth-one.com]

We have travelled down that path, so I for one can understand your position although I disagree with it.
JW

So the sabbath is not a sign pointing to the Second Coming and Millennium?

There won't be a rest for the people of God?

That is the basis upon which my algorithm was formulated.

Any formulation or algorithm will not uncover any time or seasn that targets the return of Jesus.

But one just did.

The Sabbath is not such a sign.

It is a sign... (Exodus 31:13)

It is a sign... (Exodus 31:17)

I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign... (Ezekiel 20:12)

Then what is the sabbath a sign of?

There will be a rest for the people of God.

But it is not a sabbath?

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[Replying to post 103 by JehovahsWitness]

LOL! The bottom line is, don't worry about when exactly it's going to occur. Just know that at the appointed (by God) time, it will happen. Don't try to predict, because it is not for man to know the times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority. And... be ready.

Then why did He give us a sign?

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The sign he promised was not a calculation sign. See Matthew 24:30.[/center]

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 103 by JehovahsWitness]

LOL! The bottom line is, don't worry about when exactly it's going to occur. Just know that at the appointed (by God) time, it will happen. Don't try to predict, because it is not for man to know the times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority. And... be ready.

Then why did He give us a sign?

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The sign he promised was not a calculation sign. See Matthew 24:30.[/center]

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

So the sign of the Second Coming is the Second Coming?

What's the point of that?

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[Replying to post 102 by myth-one.com]

Okay I'm a math idiot but I get the general idea...its basically 6000 years from Adam and the variants are where the 6000 total ending in 1996 might need adjusting. I can't be too hard on you, we fell into the same trap, but have learnt Jesus wasn't joking when he said the "date" (year) cannot be calculated. There is no underminding a clear statement from Christ, no matter how eagre we may be.

But as I said we went down the same line of thinking back in 1975 and have learnt our lesson. We are firmly ressolved to repeat that error again.

JW

Yes, only God the Father knows the exact date of the Second Coming:

But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. (Mark 13:32)

My equation does not give an exact date.

It gives an area generally around 6000 years from the creation of Adam.

And God gave us that sign to look for in the Sabbath Day -- to anticipate the Secong Coming.

No, God did not give the Sabbath as a sign to be used in an equation anticipation.

Acts 1:7Jesus replied, It is NOT for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.

What part of NOT do you not understand?

[myth-one.com]

No, God did not give the Sabbath as a sign to be used in an equation anticipation.

Acts 1:7Jesus replied, It is NOT for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.

What part of NOT do you not understand?

Ok, Ok.

Then why did He give us the sign of the sabbath?

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No, God did not give the Sabbath as a sign to be used in an equation anticipation.

Acts 1:7Jesus replied, It is NOT for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority.

What part of NOT do you not understand?

Ok, Ok.

Then why did He give us the sign of the sabbath?

What "sign of the sabbath"?