Is Jesus mediator only for the "anointed class" of JWs?

[MissKate13]

If true, then WHO mediates for the rest of the Jehovahs Witnesses?

[2timothy316]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Will there be Christians who will live forever on the Earth? Yes or no.

Yes,

Living forever right?

Certainly.

For forever there will be non-Christians living on the Earth? Yes or no.

I cannot answer that question with a yes or a no.

"And there will no longer be any ban. And the throne of God and the Lamb will be in it; and his servants, his name on their foreheads, will worship him and see his face. And there will no longer be night, and they do not need lamplight and sunlight, because the Lord God will light them; and they will reign forever and ever." - Rev 22:3-5

From were did the 'servants' of God and the Lamb who are rule over forever and ever come from? Christians or non-Christians?

Servants such as those who serve in the Temple (before and during the thousand years); the ones in the City (the 'it' being referred to that has the throne of God and the Lamb in it)? These ones come from Christians.

(If you include those who served God before Christ came in the flesh (prophets, kings, etc.), then it could be both Christians and non-Christians.)

Please note that although I did not answer your former question with a simple yes or no, I DID answer your question. Why do you ignore that response?



Peace to you.

You didn't answer plainly as I asked. I explained was going SUPER simple with you for clarity. You don't do this. You add extra stuff in your comments I don't ask for. I am not looking for explanations for why you believe something but SUPER simple answers on WHAT you believe. Don't know if simple binary answers are possible but let's see.

Simple binary answers are not possible in all the things you are asking me. That is why I SAID I could not answer your question with a simple yes or no.

Then I am done here as what you believe isn't clear and I can't debate when the poster can't be clear.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Will there be Christians who will live forever on the Earth? Yes or no.

Yes,

Living forever right?

Certainly.

For forever there will be non-Christians living on the Earth? Yes or no.

I cannot answer that question with a yes or a no.

"And there will no longer be any ban. And the throne of God and the Lamb will be in it; and his servants, his name on their foreheads, will worship him and see his face. And there will no longer be night, and they do not need lamplight and sunlight, because the Lord God will light them; and they will reign forever and ever." - Rev 22:3-5

From were did the 'servants' of God and the Lamb who are rule over forever and ever come from? Christians or non-Christians?

Servants such as those who serve in the Temple (before and during the thousand years); the ones in the City (the 'it' being referred to that has the throne of God and the Lamb in it)? These ones come from Christians.

(If you include those who served God before Christ came in the flesh (prophets, kings, etc.), then it could be both Christians and non-Christians.)

Please note that although I did not answer your former question with a simple yes or no, I DID answer your question. Why do you ignore that response?



Peace to you.

You didn't answer plainly as I asked. I explained was going SUPER simple with you for clarity. You don't do this. You add extra stuff in your comments I don't ask for. I am not looking for explanations for why you believe something but SUPER simple answers on WHAT you believe. Don't know if simple binary answers are possible but let's see.

Simple binary answers are not possible in all the things you are asking me. That is why I SAID I could not answer your question with a simple yes or no.

Then I am done here as what you believe isn't clear and I can't debate when the poster can't be clear.

Oh, I've been clear, timothy.

Christians reign with Christ in the Kingdom for at least a thousand years. They reign upon the earth. Scriptural support already provided. (New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God.)

The subjects of the Kingdom are the people inside the Kingdom who were not Christian but who are also invited in (based on criteria previously provided).


It is very simple and it also shows the great love and mercy of God.


On the other hand, there is no verse that states Christians will reign over non-Christians, or you would have provided it. Instead, no one - not Christ, not the apostles, not Paul - ever taught such a thing. The only teaching and example we have in what is written is that ALL Christians are the Church, ALL Christians are the Bride, ALL Christians are the brothers of Christ, and ALL Christians are in the Body of Christ (the Temple). How then could Christians being reigning over other Christians?


Your religion is the one that is teaching something different.



Peace again to you, and to you all,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Eloi]

If John the Baptist is not going to be resurrected to be in heaven with the kings and priests, where will he be resurrected? Who will live with him in that same place?

Luke 7:28 I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of God is greater than he is.

Where is Daniel going to be resurrected?

Dan. 12:13 "But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days."

[2timothy316]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Will there be Christians who will live forever on the Earth? Yes or no.

Yes,

Living forever right?

Certainly.

For forever there will be non-Christians living on the Earth? Yes or no.

I cannot answer that question with a yes or a no.

"And there will no longer be any ban. And the throne of God and the Lamb will be in it; and his servants, his name on their foreheads, will worship him and see his face. And there will no longer be night, and they do not need lamplight and sunlight, because the Lord God will light them; and they will reign forever and ever." - Rev 22:3-5

From were did the 'servants' of God and the Lamb who are rule over forever and ever come from? Christians or non-Christians?

Servants such as those who serve in the Temple (before and during the thousand years); the ones in the City (the 'it' being referred to that has the throne of God and the Lamb in it)? These ones come from Christians.

(If you include those who served God before Christ came in the flesh (prophets, kings, etc.), then it could be both Christians and non-Christians.)

Please note that although I did not answer your former question with a simple yes or no, I DID answer your question. Why do you ignore that response?



Peace to you.

You didn't answer plainly as I asked. I explained was going SUPER simple with you for clarity. You don't do this. You add extra stuff in your comments I don't ask for. I am not looking for explanations for why you believe something but SUPER simple answers on WHAT you believe. Don't know if simple binary answers are possible but let's see.

Simple binary answers are not possible in all the things you are asking me. That is why I SAID I could not answer your question with a simple yes or no.

Then I am done here as what you believe isn't clear and I can't debate when the poster can't be clear.

Oh, I've been clear, timothy.

Don't dare speak for me about what I think. If I say I don't understand you, then don't call me a liar. It all might sound right in your head but when you try to explain, it doesn't make sense to me. You have not been clear to my understanding. I ask who will rule forever, you say both or I can't be certain...well then you have no answers as far as I can see. That is not clear Tam. Every question I have asked, I can answer in clear binary answers. Why you can't is not something I can fix but it is the reason I can't understand your position.

Look at this...

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #96]

If one isn't a Christian that is going to be a King and priest then what are they?

A non-Christian.

Then later you say...

(If you include those who served God before Christ came in the flesh (prophets, kings, etc.), then it could be both Christians and non-Christians.)

Could be? Do you have any concrete answers?

[Eloi]

There will be no survivor of the great tribulation who is not a Christian. The scriptural proof, again, is here:

Rev. 7:9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."
(...) 13 In response one of the elders said to me: "These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?" 14 So right away I said to him: "My lord, you are the one who knows." And he said to me: "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down on them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes."

... as seen, only Christians will survive the great tribulation, and they are call a great crowd. Besides these survivors, there will be others who will be resurrected after the great tribulation, during the Millenium of the kingdom of Christ ON EARTH. Among these will be Daniel (Dan. 12:13) and John the Baptist (Matt. 11:11).

John the Baptist was the first public preacher to point to Jesus as the promised Messiah:

John 1:6 There came a man who was sent as a representative of God; his name was John. 7 This man came as a witness, in order to bear witness about the light, so that people of all sorts might believe through him. 8 He was not that light, but he was meant to bear witness about that light.
(...) 19 This is the witness John gave when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him: "Who are you?" 20 And he admitted it and did not deny it, saying: "I am not the Christ." 21 And they asked him: "What, then? Are you E-lijah?" He replied: "I am not." "Are you the Prophet?" And he answered: "No!" 22 So they said to him: "Who are you? Tell us so that we may give an answer to those who sent us. What do you say about yourself?" 23 He said: "I am a voice of someone crying out in the wilderness, Make the way of Jehovah straight, just as Isaiah the prophet said." 24 Now those sent were from the Pharisees. 25 So they questioned him and said to him: "Why, then, do you baptize if you are not the Christ or E-lijah or the Prophet?" 26 John answered them: "I baptize in water. One is standing among you whom you do not know, 27 the one coming behind me, the lace of whose sandal I am not worthy to untie." 28 These things took place in Betha-ny across the Jordan, where John was baptizing.
29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and he said: "See, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! 30 This is the one about whom I said: Behind me there comes a man who has advanced in front of me, for he existed before me. 31 Even I did not know him, but the reason why I came baptizing in water was so that he might be made manifest to Israel." 32 John also bore witness, saying: "I viewed the spirit coming down as a dove out of heaven, and it remained upon him. 33 Even I did not know him, but the very One who sent me to baptize in water said to me: Whoever it is upon whom you see the spirit coming down and remaining, this is the one who baptizes in holy spirit. 34 And I have seen it, and I have given witness that this one is the Son of God."
35 Again the next day, John was standing with two of his disciples, 36 and as he looked at Jesus walking, he said: "See, the Lamb of God!" 37 When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus. 38 Then Jesus turned, and seeing them following, he said to them: "What are you looking for?" They said to him: "Rabbi (which means, when translated, "Teacher"), where are you staying?" 39 He said to them: "Come, and you will see." So they went and saw where he was staying, and they stayed with him that day; it was about the tenth hour. 40 Andrew, the brother of Simon Peter, was one of the two who heard what John said and followed Jesus. 41 He first found his own brother Simon and said to him: "We have found the Mes-siah" (which means, when translated, "Christ"), 42 and he led him to Jesus. When Jesus looked at him, he said: "You are Simon, the son of John; you will be called Cephas" (which is translated "Peter").

So, if John won't be on heavens but on earth, even if he preached Jesus, how come some say there will be no christians on earth after the great tribulation?

PS: In Rev. 7:14b, talking about the survivors of the great tribulation on earth, the angel said John that these survivors "are the ones who come out of the great tribulation", so if they come out of it, it's because they had to go through it, not because they escaped it before it started. Also, clearly and explicitly, twice the angel tells John that these survivors thank Jehovah and Jesus for having been saved, so obviously they are true Christians, no non-believers.

Rev. 7:10 ... they keep ... saying "Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."
Rev. 7:14b ... they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

IT IS EVIDENT THAT THESE SURVIVORS ARE CHRISTIANS.

[Eloi]

As explained by biblical quotes in the previous post, there will be a great crowd of Christians who will still be alive on earth when the current system of things is destroyed. How is it possible that these Christians continue to live on earth after the great tribulation? It is because they are not part of the few who were chosen to reign with Christ in heaven. Those kings were also Christians, but they had to die before the Millennium to take their places up in the heavens, and reign over humanity during the Millennium, and thus help the human race to reach perfection (Rev. 5:9,10).

Will there be non-Christians on earth during the Millennium? Yes, but not survivors of the great tribulation, but people who will be resurrected and will have the opportunity to know God and serve him (John 5:28,29). Those resurrected and the other survivors will have to face a test in order to obtain their right to live eternally under the kingdom of God in earthly paradise (Rev. 20:7-9).

Acts 24:15 And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

The heavenly kings and priests will not return to live on earth but will be with Jesus in the heavenly realms forever:

1 Thess. 4:17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.

John 14:2 In the house of my Father are many dwelling places. Otherwise, I would have told you, for I am going my way to prepare a place for you. 3 Also, if I go my way and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will receive you home to myself, so that where I am you also may be.
... 17:24 Father, I want those whom you have given me to be with me where I am, in order that they may look upon my glory that you have given me, because you loved me before the founding of the world.

... However, obedient humanity will have eternity ahead of it, in a completely new human context: a perfect planet and a just humanity, in the midst of conditions of peace, without pain or disease, or death (Rev. 21:3,4).

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Yes,


For forever there will be non-Christians living on the Earth? Yes or no.

I cannot answer that question with a yes or a no.

"And there will no longer be any ban. And the throne of God and the Lamb will be in it; and his servants, his name on their foreheads, will worship him and see his face. And there will no longer be night, and they do not need lamplight and sunlight, because the Lord God will light them; and they will reign forever and ever." - Rev 22:3-5

From were did the 'servants' of God and the Lamb who are rule over forever and ever come from? Christians or non-Christians?

Servants such as those who serve in the Temple (before and during the thousand years); the ones in the City (the 'it' being referred to that has the throne of God and the Lamb in it)? These ones come from Christians.

(If you include those who served God before Christ came in the flesh (prophets, kings, etc.), then it could be both Christians and non-Christians.)

Please note that although I did not answer your former question with a simple yes or no, I DID answer your question. Why do you ignore that response?



Peace to you.

You didn't answer plainly as I asked. I explained was going SUPER simple with you for clarity. You don't do this. You add extra stuff in your comments I don't ask for. I am not looking for explanations for why you believe something but SUPER simple answers on WHAT you believe. Don't know if simple binary answers are possible but let's see.

Simple binary answers are not possible in all the things you are asking me. That is why I SAID I could not answer your question with a simple yes or no.

Then I am done here as what you believe isn't clear and I can't debate when the poster can't be clear.

Oh, I've been clear, timothy.

Don't dare speak for me about what I think.

I didn't.

If I say I don't understand you, then don't call me a liar.

I didn't.

It all might sound right in your head but when you try to explain, it doesn't make sense to me.

I said nothing about what makes sense to you. I said nothing about whether or not you understand what I have said.

I simply said that I have been clear.

You have not been clear to my understanding.

Well that is different than saying that I have not been clear.

Fyi, your questions are not clear to my understanding either. For example:

I ask who will rule forever, you say both or I can't be certain...

You did not ask who will rule forever.

You asked:

From were did the 'servants' of God and the Lamb who are rule over forever and ever come from? Christians or non-Christians?

Your question is not clear (it contains both spelling and grammar errors that make it unclear). I tried to answer what I thought you were asking instead of pointing that out. So were you asking where the servants of God and the Lamb come from? Or were you asking about those who rule forever?

Because God and His Son rule forever.

The servants of God and the Lamb who reign with Christ do so for a thousand years (anything beyond that is not written about).

These same servants who reign with Christ for (at least) the thousand years are Christians.

Every question I have asked, I can answer in clear binary answers.

Perhaps because you understand what you are asking, but you are not making sure that your questions are clearly written.


Who will reign with Christ in His Kingdom? <- clear question.

Christians. <- clear answer.


How long do they reign as king-priests with Christ? <- clear question.

A thousand years. (Rev 20:4-6) < - clear answer.


From where do they reign? < clear question.

The Earth. (New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven from God. Rev 3:12; 21:2.) <- clear answer.


I'm not trying to give you crap for your questions not being clear. But the ambiguity I find in them makes it hard for me to answer with a binary response (if a binary response is even possible).

Why you can't is not something I can fix but it is the reason I can't understand your position.

Do you find anything unclear in the question and answer bit that I just did?


Peace again to you.

[Eloi]

Dedicating oneself to criticizing dialogue methods and people or groups instead of Biblical teachings does not lead to anything.

Does the Bible say that the survivors of the great tribulation will be Christians or not?

Rev. 7:9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb."
(...) 13 In response one of the elders said to me: "These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from?" 14 So right away I said to him: "My lord, you are the one who knows." And he said to me: "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God, and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them. 16 They will hunger no more nor thirst anymore, neither will the sun beat down on them nor any scorching heat, 17 because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them and will guide them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes."

Where will the kings and priests live together with Christ? Are we to literally understand that a city (where spirits live in heaven) is going to come down from heaven to literally settle somewhere on earth?

Rev. 3:12 "The one who conquersI will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Look at this...

Peace to you,

[Replying to tam in post #96]

If one isn't a Christian that is going to be a King and priest then what are they?

A non-Christian.

Yeah... this question is not clear, timothy.


Did you mean to ask,

"If one isn't a Christian but is going to be a king and priest, then what is he?"

Or did you mean (as the question reads),

"If one isn't a Christian and is not going to be a king and priest, then what is he?"



The answer to the first question would be: If one is not a Christian, one is not going to be a king-priest in the Kingdom.

The answer to the second question is the answer that I gave: that person is a non-Christian.


Or did you perhaps mean something else entirely?

Then later you say...

(If you include those who served God before Christ came in the flesh (prophets, kings, etc.), then it could be both Christians and non-Christians.)

Could be? Do you have any concrete answers?

Yes later I said that (though it is only part of what I said) because I was not sure what you meant with your question. That is why my response included a question... 'servants such as...?" and an 'if' scenario... "if you include..."

Here is your question:

From were did the 'servants' of God and the Lamb who are rule over forever and ever come from? Christians or non-Christians?

I answered what I thought you meant:

Servants such as those who serve in the Temple (before and during the thousand years); the ones in the City (the 'it' being referred to that has the throne of God and the Lamb in it)? These ones come from Christians.

But it is hard to know what you meant because you said "who are rule over forever and ever". I don't know who you are referring to when you say 'who' and I don't know if you meant who are RULING over forever and ever, or who are RULED over forever and ever.


I should have asked you to restate your question in clear terms. But my answer could not be 'binary' because the question was unclear.


Peace again to you.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to tam in post #129]
You have an excuse for everything but still can't give clear answers. I tried to make is simple but nooooooooo you said you can't do simple. I say you're not clear your response is that it's my fault. Ugh forget it.