Body, soul and spirit

[placebofactor]

The Bible tells us that we are made of three parts. We have a body of flesh made to live on earth, to think, eat, drink, sleep, and die. It's a fleshly body that covers our spiritual body and soul. The spiritual body and soul are made to honor and worship God. Now, that’s a mouthful and covers a great deal of ground. When we die, our bodies are returned to the ground.

Genesis 3:19, For out of it (the ground) were you taken, for dust you are, and unto dust shall you return.”

Question, “What happens to a man’s soul, and spirit?” Answer: The saved go to be with the Lord, for those who reject the saving grace of Jesus Christ, they will find themselves in a place called Hades.

The following occurred before Jesus was put to death, and before the church age began. Jesus is speaking to the Jews, the publicans, Pharisees, scribes, and sinners. He spoke of things the Jewish elite and the people believed and understood. The ancient Jews believed in the resurrection of the dead.

Now, Luke 16:22 concerns a beggar named Lazarus who was begging at the gate of an unidentified rich man. Verse 22, “It came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died and was buried.”

What does Luke mean by, “Carried off into Abraham’s bosom?” Matthew 8:11 tells us “Many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.” This may allude to Luke 22:29-30 when Jesus spoke to his disciples at the Last Supper. “I appoint unto you a kingdom as my Father hath appointed unto me; that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

As for the rich man, “He lifts up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, with Lazarus in his bosom.” Because he is a Jew, he cries out, “Father Abraham have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame.”

We know the man's body of flesh was buried in the ground, so what part of him remained that was able to see, hear, thirst, feel pain, and speak? The part of him that was in hell was his spirit and soul because of his pride, selfishness, and lack of compassion.

What’s going to happen to him? He will stand before the judgment seat of the LORD, but not until after the 1000-year reign of Christ ends. Revelation 20:5, “The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.” Verse 12, “And I (John) saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of these things which were written in the books, according to their works. Verse 13, “An they were judged every man according to their works.” From there, they will suffer the second death in the lake of fire. It’s not physical death, it’s spiritual death.

What about Lazarus? 1 Thessalonians 4:16, “The Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:” His body will no longer hunger or be covered with sores. Neither will our sickness and disease be with us. No cancer, diabetes, high blood pressure, poor eyesight, heart, lung, kidney or liver diseases. We will possess a perfect body, the body we were intended to have before the fall of Adam and Eve.

1 Corinthians 15:52, “In the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump, the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”

[Capbook]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

The body is our physical self, alive or dead. The soul is the person--everything about that individual including his thoughts. Even animals are called "souls." The spirit is simply the power of God that causes a soul to be animated, to breathe.

I've read somewhere, it maybe you or someone that said there are "living souls and dead soul?
You agree with that?

Yes.
Jehovah says: "Look! All the souls---to me they belong....The soul that is sinning---it will die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

So, a soul can die.

Yes, the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
In the incident below with Elijah, the return of the child's soul and breath are identical in meaning. You do not have a ghost-like immortal soul that survives your physical death.
Life is what makes us a soul. Do death makes us a soul? Yes or no?
Without life we perish. (John 3:16)

1 Ki 17:17 And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.

1 Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
1 Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Onewithhim I believe you missed my question I colored blue above in response to your statement that there is "dead soul".

We ARE a soul. That is everything about us. I don't know what you are saying when you ask "Do death makes us a soul?"

Elijah prayed that the boy's life as a soul would be returned to him. It's not that a soul re-entered his body. Someone could say, "I am dying!" He could say also, "My soul is dying." When a person is dead, his soul is dead.

"The soul of the child came into him again" means that life was restored to the dead soul of the boy.

I find no "dead soul" in the Bible, only "living soul died".
I mean when there is life, there is soul.
When dead that is "dead body", because life makes us a soul. The soul(living) who touches the dead body shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.(Num 19:13)

You say that you found in the Bible that a living soul can die. That means a soul can be a dead soul. Life doesn't make us a soul. The soul can die. (Ezekiel 18:4)

Yes, living soul can die.
Do you believe that life doesn't make us a soul?(Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God did not make Adam a living soul? (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul?
I understand one of you JW explained; "dust(body) + God's breath = living soul". Is this true to you or not?


Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

The body is our physical self, alive or dead. The soul is the person--everything about that individual including his thoughts. Even animals are called "souls." The spirit is simply the power of God that causes a soul to be animated, to breathe.

I've read somewhere, it maybe you or someone that said there are "living souls and dead soul?
You agree with that?

Yes.
Jehovah says: "Look! All the souls---to me they belong....The soul that is sinning---it will die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

So, a soul can die.

Yes, the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
In the incident below with Elijah, the return of the child's soul and breath are identical in meaning. You do not have a ghost-like immortal soul that survives your physical death.
Life is what makes us a soul. Do death makes us a soul? Yes or no?
Without life we perish. (John 3:16)

1 Ki 17:17 And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.

1 Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
1 Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Onewithhim I believe you missed my question I colored blue above in response to your statement that there is "dead soul".

We ARE a soul. That is everything about us. I don't know what you are saying when you ask "Do death makes us a soul?"

Elijah prayed that the boy's life as a soul would be returned to him. It's not that a soul re-entered his body. Someone could say, "I am dying!" He could say also, "My soul is dying." When a person is dead, his soul is dead.

"The soul of the child came into him again" means that life was restored to the dead soul of the boy.

I find no "dead soul" in the Bible, only "living soul died".
I mean when there is life, there is soul.
When dead that is "dead body", because life makes us a soul. The soul(living) who touches the dead body shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.(Num 19:13)

You say that you found in the Bible that a living soul can die. That means a soul can be a dead soul. Life doesn't make us a soul. The soul can die. (Ezekiel 18:4)

Yes, living soul can die.
Do you believe that life doesn't make us a soul?(Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God did not make Adam a living soul? (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul?
I understand one of you JW explained; "dust(body) + God's breath = living soul". Is this true to you or not?


Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What exactly are you saying? You concede that a soul can die, and yet you then say that a soul has to have life to be a soul. A soul can die, therefore it doesn't have to be alive to be a soul. Adam BECAME a living soul, as you cited above. Much later he became a dead soul. Of course God's breath isn't dead. It "returns" to God who gave it, meaning the destiny of the person is in His hands, He being the Source of life.

[Capbook]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

The body is our physical self, alive or dead. The soul is the person--everything about that individual including his thoughts. Even animals are called "souls." The spirit is simply the power of God that causes a soul to be animated, to breathe.

I've read somewhere, it maybe you or someone that said there are "living souls and dead soul?
You agree with that?

Yes.
Jehovah says: "Look! All the souls---to me they belong....The soul that is sinning---it will die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

So, a soul can die.

Yes, the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
In the incident below with Elijah, the return of the child's soul and breath are identical in meaning. You do not have a ghost-like immortal soul that survives your physical death.
Life is what makes us a soul. Do death makes us a soul? Yes or no?
Without life we perish. (John 3:16)

1 Ki 17:17 And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.

1 Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
1 Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Onewithhim I believe you missed my question I colored blue above in response to your statement that there is "dead soul".

We ARE a soul. That is everything about us. I don't know what you are saying when you ask "Do death makes us a soul?"

Elijah prayed that the boy's life as a soul would be returned to him. It's not that a soul re-entered his body. Someone could say, "I am dying!" He could say also, "My soul is dying." When a person is dead, his soul is dead.

"The soul of the child came into him again" means that life was restored to the dead soul of the boy.

I find no "dead soul" in the Bible, only "living soul died".
I mean when there is life, there is soul.
When dead that is "dead body", because life makes us a soul. The soul(living) who touches the dead body shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.(Num 19:13)

You say that you found in the Bible that a living soul can die. That means a soul can be a dead soul. Life doesn't make us a soul. The soul can die. (Ezekiel 18:4)

Yes, living soul can die.
Do you believe that life doesn't make us a soul?(Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God did not make Adam a living soul? (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul?
I understand one of you JW explained; "dust(body) + God's breath = living soul". Is this true to you or not?


Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What exactly are you saying? You concede that a soul can die, and yet you then say that a soul has to have life to be a soul. A soul can die, therefore it doesn't have to be alive to be a soul. Adam BECAME a living soul, as you cited above. Much later he became a dead soul. Of course God's breath isn't dead. It "returns" to God who gave it, meaning the destiny of the person is in His hands, He being the Source of life.

Yes, "can die" means not yet dead.
Dead means no more life. That is my understanding. Are we one?
Now the question is;
As the breath of life from God make Adam's body (dust) a living soul. (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? Yes or no.
And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul? Yes or no.
I just hope you will answer the questions not skip again.

[placebofactor]

I've read somewhere, it maybe you or someone that said there are "living souls and dead soul?
You agree with that?

Yes.
Jehovah says: "Look! All the souls---to me they belong....The soul that is sinning---it will die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

So, a soul can die.

Yes, the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
In the incident below with Elijah, the return of the child's soul and breath are identical in meaning. You do not have a ghost-like immortal soul that survives your physical death.
Life is what makes us a soul. Do death makes us a soul? Yes or no?
Without life we perish. (John 3:16)

1 Ki 17:17 And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.

1 Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
1 Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Onewithhim I believe you missed my question I colored blue above in response to your statement that there is "dead soul".

We ARE a soul. That is everything about us. I don't know what you are saying when you ask "Do death makes us a soul?"

Elijah prayed that the boy's life as a soul would be returned to him. It's not that a soul re-entered his body. Someone could say, "I am dying!" He could say also, "My soul is dying." When a person is dead, his soul is dead.

"The soul of the child came into him again" means that life was restored to the dead soul of the boy.

I find no "dead soul" in the Bible, only "living soul died".
I mean when there is life, there is soul.
When dead that is "dead body", because life makes us a soul. The soul(living) who touches the dead body shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.(Num 19:13)

You say that you found in the Bible that a living soul can die. That means a soul can be a dead soul. Life doesn't make us a soul. The soul can die. (Ezekiel 18:4)

Yes, living soul can die.
Do you believe that life doesn't make us a soul?(Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God did not make Adam a living soul? (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul?
I understand one of you JW explained; "dust(body) + God's breath = living soul". Is this true to you or not?


Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What exactly are you saying? You concede that a soul can die, and yet you then say that a soul has to have life to be a soul. A soul can die, therefore it doesn't have to be alive to be a soul. Adam BECAME a living soul, as you cited above. Much later he became a dead soul. Of course God's breath isn't dead. It "returns" to God who gave it, meaning the destiny of the person is in His hands, He being the Source of life.

Yes, "can die" means not yet dead.
Dead means no more life. That is my understanding. Are we one?
Now the question is;
As the breath of life from God make Adam's body (dust) a living soul. (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? Yes or no.
And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul? Yes or no.
I just hope you will answer the questions not skip again.

Capstone, here is the problem with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

They deny the story of Lazarus in the arms of Abraham, and the rich man in hell, aware of where he is, his needs, his family. He can hear, speak, and feel thirst. While asl this was going on, their bodies were lying in a tomb.

They deny that the spirit and soul of Samual came up from the grave. He spoke, he prophesied of King Saul's future, then returned to his place. All this time, his physical body lay in a tomb.

They deny, Revelation 6:9-10, John wrote, "I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, say, How long, O Lord holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth.

[placebofactor]

Yes.
Jehovah says: "Look! All the souls---to me they belong....The soul that is sinning---it will die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

So, a soul can die.

Yes, the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
In the incident below with Elijah, the return of the child's soul and breath are identical in meaning. You do not have a ghost-like immortal soul that survives your physical death.
Life is what makes us a soul. Do death makes us a soul? Yes or no?
Without life we perish. (John 3:16)

1 Ki 17:17 And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.

1 Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
1 Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Onewithhim I believe you missed my question I colored blue above in response to your statement that there is "dead soul".

We ARE a soul. That is everything about us. I don't know what you are saying when you ask "Do death makes us a soul?"

Elijah prayed that the boy's life as a soul would be returned to him. It's not that a soul re-entered his body. Someone could say, "I am dying!" He could say also, "My soul is dying." When a person is dead, his soul is dead.

"The soul of the child came into him again" means that life was restored to the dead soul of the boy.

I find no "dead soul" in the Bible, only "living soul died".
I mean when there is life, there is soul.
When dead that is "dead body", because life makes us a soul. The soul(living) who touches the dead body shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.(Num 19:13)

You say that you found in the Bible that a living soul can die. That means a soul can be a dead soul. Life doesn't make us a soul. The soul can die. (Ezekiel 18:4)

Yes, living soul can die.
Do you believe that life doesn't make us a soul?(Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God did not make Adam a living soul? (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul?
I understand one of you JW explained; "dust(body) + God's breath = living soul". Is this true to you or not?


Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What exactly are you saying? You concede that a soul can die, and yet you then say that a soul has to have life to be a soul. A soul can die, therefore it doesn't have to be alive to be a soul. Adam BECAME a living soul, as you cited above. Much later he became a dead soul. Of course God's breath isn't dead. It "returns" to God who gave it, meaning the destiny of the person is in His hands, He being the Source of life.

Yes, "can die" means not yet dead.
Dead means no more life. That is my understanding. Are we one?
Now the question is;
As the breath of life from God make Adam's body (dust) a living soul. (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? Yes or no.
And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul? Yes or no.
I just hope you will answer the questions not skip again.

Capstone, here is the problem with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

They deny the story of Lazarus in the arms of Abraham, and the rich man in hell, aware of where he is, his needs, his family. He can hear, speak, and feel thirst. While asl this was going on, their bodies were lying in a tomb.

They deny that the spirit and soul of Samual came up from the grave. He spoke, he prophesied of King Saul's future, then returned to his place. All this time, his physical body lay in a tomb.

They deny, Revelation 6:9-10, John wrote, "I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, say, How long, O Lord holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth. So, we have dead people, talking to God, understanding where they are, and asking for revenge, whole their physical bodies lie in a grave.

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[Replying to placebofactor in post #55]

The souls and spirits of those who sleep
And when they opened the fifth seal, John “Saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:” And they cried out,

Revelation 6:10, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" The reply, "Rest yet for a little season."

As if impatient the spirits of the dead cry out to the LORD. Martyred for their attachment to Christ, the living souls of the dead are represented as victims of the forces of darkness. Their blood, like that of Abel, cried out for vengeance. To this day, there has been no avenging of the blood of the saints, their blood poured out before the LORD.

And like Christ, the dead in Christ are given white robes and told to wait, their number not completed. How long? Daniel 12:7 answers the question, “That it shall be for a time, times, and half;” After the 3 ½ years of tribulation.

[Capbook]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #55]

The souls and spirits of those who sleep
And when they opened the fifth seal, John “Saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:” And they cried out,

Revelation 6:10, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" The reply, "Rest yet for a little season."

As if impatient the spirits of the dead cry out to the LORD. Martyred for their attachment to Christ, the living souls of the dead are represented as victims of the forces of darkness. Their blood, like that of Abel, cried out for vengeance. To this day, there has been no avenging of the blood of the saints, their blood poured out before the LORD.

And like Christ, the dead in Christ are given white robes and told to wait, their number not completed. How long? Daniel 12:7 answers the question, “That it shall be for a time, times, and half;” After the 3 ½ years of tribulation.

Yes, Bible lexicon defined the word "soul" in Greek "psuche" as breath, breath of life, a living being, living soul etc.

G5590 (Thayer)
ψυχή psuchē
Thayer Definition:
1) breath
1a) the breath of life
1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing
1a1a) of animals
1a1b) of men
1b) life
1c) that in which there is life
1c1) a living being, a living soul
2) the soul
2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)

[placebofactor]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #55]

The souls and spirits of those who sleep
And when they opened the fifth seal, John “Saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:” And they cried out,

Revelation 6:10, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?" The reply, "Rest yet for a little season."

As if impatient the spirits of the dead cry out to the LORD. Martyred for their attachment to Christ, the living souls of the dead are represented as victims of the forces of darkness. Their blood, like that of Abel, cried out for vengeance. To this day, there has been no avenging of the blood of the saints, their blood poured out before the LORD.

And like Christ, the dead in Christ are given white robes and told to wait, their number not completed. How long? Daniel 12:7 answers the question, “That it shall be for a time, times, and half;” After the 3 ½ years of tribulation.

Yes, Bible lexicon defined the word "soul" in Greek "psuche" as breath, breath of life, a living being, living soul etc.

G5590 (Thayer)
ψυχή psuchē
Thayer Definition:
1) breath
1a) the breath of life
1a1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing
1a1a) of animals
1a1b) of men
1b) life
1c) that in which there is life
1c1) a living being, a living soul
2) the soul
2a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
2b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
2c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)

Thank you, Mr. Capstone, for being clear and to the point.

[onewithhim]

Yes.
Jehovah says: "Look! All the souls---to me they belong....The soul that is sinning---it will die." (Ezekiel 18:4)

So, a soul can die.

Yes, the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
In the incident below with Elijah, the return of the child's soul and breath are identical in meaning. You do not have a ghost-like immortal soul that survives your physical death.
Life is what makes us a soul. Do death makes us a soul? Yes or no?
Without life we perish. (John 3:16)

1 Ki 17:17 And it came to pass after these things, that the son of the woman, the mistress of the house, fell sick; and his sickness was so sore, that there was no breath left in him.

1 Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
1 Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

Onewithhim I believe you missed my question I colored blue above in response to your statement that there is "dead soul".

We ARE a soul. That is everything about us. I don't know what you are saying when you ask "Do death makes us a soul?"

Elijah prayed that the boy's life as a soul would be returned to him. It's not that a soul re-entered his body. Someone could say, "I am dying!" He could say also, "My soul is dying." When a person is dead, his soul is dead.

"The soul of the child came into him again" means that life was restored to the dead soul of the boy.

I find no "dead soul" in the Bible, only "living soul died".
I mean when there is life, there is soul.
When dead that is "dead body", because life makes us a soul. The soul(living) who touches the dead body shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.(Num 19:13)

You say that you found in the Bible that a living soul can die. That means a soul can be a dead soul. Life doesn't make us a soul. The soul can die. (Ezekiel 18:4)

Yes, living soul can die.
Do you believe that life doesn't make us a soul?(Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God did not make Adam a living soul? (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul?
I understand one of you JW explained; "dust(body) + God's breath = living soul". Is this true to you or not?


Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

What exactly are you saying? You concede that a soul can die, and yet you then say that a soul has to have life to be a soul. A soul can die, therefore it doesn't have to be alive to be a soul. Adam BECAME a living soul, as you cited above. Much later he became a dead soul. Of course God's breath isn't dead. It "returns" to God who gave it, meaning the destiny of the person is in His hands, He being the Source of life.

Yes, "can die" means not yet dead.
Dead means no more life. That is my understanding. Are we one?
Now the question is;
As the breath of life from God make Adam's body (dust) a living soul. (Gen 2:7)
Do the breath of life from God will die together with the body? Yes or no.
And that the body and God's breath of life become dead soul? Yes or no.
I just hope you will answer the questions not skip again.

Capstone, here is the problem with the Jehovah's Witnesses.

They deny the story of Lazarus in the arms of Abraham, and the rich man in hell, aware of where he is, his needs, his family. He can hear, speak, and feel thirst. While asl this was going on, their bodies were lying in a tomb.

They deny that the spirit and soul of Samual came up from the grave. He spoke, he prophesied of King Saul's future, then returned to his place. All this time, his physical body lay in a tomb.

They deny, Revelation 6:9-10, John wrote, "I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, say, How long, O Lord holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth.

The parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus was metaphorical and not meant to be taken literally. Anyone who wants to learn more about this should go to www.jw.org and search the Rich Man and Lazarus. It was directed toward the Pharisees who were listening, to show their shabby treatment of the common people, not feeding them spiritually according to God's laws.

The spirit that appeared as Samuel was actually a demon pretending to be Samuel. If Samuel was indeed able to appear, he would not have responded to a witch that wanted him to prophesy for Saul. That sort of thing was anathema to God's people and Samuel wouldn't have involved himself with it.

After people are dead, they no longer are conscious of anything. "The dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten....Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with all thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10, KJV)

In Revelation 6:9-10 there is a metaphorical situation, meant to be taken that way. It is not literal, just as many things in Revelation are not literal but are said to show a literal truth by way of signs. There are no "souls" under the altar. It is God's way of getting across the plight formerly of the ones killed for Jesus. Remember, "souls" are not things that separate from our bodies at death. A "soul" is the complete individual. Adam BECAME a living soul, ne'phesh, he wasn't GIVEN one. Even animals are souls. (Genesis 1:20-24, 30; Genesis 2:19; 9:10-16; Leviticus 11:10,46; 24:18; Numbers 31:28; Ezekiel 47:9. Notably, the N.T., in Greek, coincides in applying psykhe' to animals, as it is ne'phesh in the Hebrew, as at Revelation 8:9; 16:3 where it is used of creatures of the sea.) The Scriptures clearly show that ne'phesh and psykhe' are used to designate both animals and humans. This is something that many people are confused about. They have been taught that "soul" and "spirit" are the same and the soul separates at death. Not true.

"For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; evenone thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast....All go unto one place; all are of dust, and all turn to dust again." (Eccles. 3:19,20, KJV)

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #10]

Found this article on the Internet today:

A mysterious burst of energy that happens in the brain as we die could be the soul leaving the body, according to an expert.
Dr Stuart Hameroff, anesthesiologist and professor at the University of Arizona recently discussed a study that captured the brain activity of clinically dead patients.

Now we have two witnesses, the Scriptures and science, that we have a body, soul, and spirit.