Describing the Christian God

[Jagella]

Question for Debate: How would you describe the Christian god?

The Christian god is an immaterial, timeless, space-less mind which is to say he's made of nothing and exists for no time in no particular place yet exists everywhere for all eternity. Although he's not made of matter he can interact with matter pushing things around and starting fires and floods and plagues and killing lots of people.

One "day" this being decided to create the world we live in by saying so. It should come as no surprise that he thought the results were "good." However, at least two problems existed in this good world. For one thing, God created a really bright angel named Lucifer who got too big for his britches thinking he could be like god. God, not being a proponent of free thought, became angry with Lucifer and cast him and one-third of Lucifer's allied angels out of heaven and down to the earth to cause a lot of trouble there.

Lucifer started the second trouble with the world by disguising himself as a snake and convincing the first woman Eve and her husband Adam to eat some fruit God told them to not to eat. It didn't take long for God to notice the deed, and he soon convened a meeting with Eve, Adam, and the snake. He kicked Eve and Adam out of paradise and made the snake eat dirt.

All was not lost by any means because God promised to send a redeemer to reverse the curse he laid on Eve and Adam and all of their descendants (that's us)--it would just take a while for the redeemer to arrive to save the world--four thousand years to get here!

In the meantime God was very busy with his world that wasn't so good anymore. He made major contributions to this lack of goodness with a world-wide flood and lots of wars he instigated. During this time he chose a people to be holy for him telling them what to do and punishing them if they disobeyed. These people became known as "Jews."

Finally God decided to send the redeemer he promised by getting a Jewish woman pregnant with himself. Evidently seeing sex as beneath him, he never used a penis to get her pregnant but maintained her virginity until she gave birth or even had her remain a virgin perpetually depending on whom you ask.

God named his human self "Jesus" and even started telling people he was made up of three "persons" in one god not bothering to explain the apparent change.

Anyway, God as infant grew up to be God as man and started a ministry. He recruited followers, started showing people his magic, told people they must believe everything he said, and started a fight with the Jewish leaders.

This fight with the Jewish leaders would apparently lead to his undoing in that those Jewish leaders had him executed by the Romans. But you can't keep a good God down, and Jesus as God came back to life. He visited some of his followers, ate some fish, magically walked through a wall, and then floated back up into the sky promising that despite his going away he would still be here.

So ever since then God has his followers eagerly expecting his return to get the job done destroying civilization and casting billions of people into a lake of fire. Until then he has his followers meeting once or twice a week to hear his story, sing off-key hymns, and eat hotdogs at picnics.

Now if anybody is experiencing difficulties believing all of this, they need to get over their doubt. God really hates skepticism and will send you to that lake of fire if you think there isn't one.

[1213]

… For one thing, God created a really bright angel named Lucifer who got too big for his britches thinking he could be like god. God, not being a proponent of free thought, became angry with Lucifer and cast him and one-third of Lucifer's allied angels out of heaven ….

That sounds like some kind of fan fiction. Please give the Bible scripture that tells the same?

…Now if anybody is experiencing difficulties believing all of this, they need to get over their doubt. God really hates skepticism and will send you to that lake of fire if you think there isn't one.

Luckily I have Bible instead of your version of Biblical matters.

[marco]

Luckily I have Bible instead of your version of Biblical matters.

Between the word and the truth comes the interpretation. Rare are those souls who read in the original and extract primal truth. Most people are guided towards an interpretation by the leaders of whatever religious group they belong to.

When we read: "Who do men say that I am?" what are we to deduce? Was Jesus God, Messiah or just a good preacher? He doesn't say, so having your Bible is no help.

[Overcomer]

Marco wrote:

Was Jesus God, Messiah or just a good preacher? He doesn't say, so having your Bible is no help.

On the contrary, Jesus told us who he is throughout the gospels -- Son of Man, Son of God, the Messiah, the eternal I AM, the Lamb of God given in ransom for the sins of humanity, the only way to God the Father/means of salvation, the truth, the Word made flesh, etc.

See here:

http://www.believers.org/whodid.htm

And here:

https://www.gotquestions.org/who-is-Jesus.html

And here:

https://bible.org/question/does-jesus-f ... t-infer-it

Just because there are some people who don't know the Lord, that doesn't mean that he is unknowable.

Just because there are people who don't understand the Bible, that doesn't mean that it isn't understandable.

[Jagella]

… For one thing, God created a really bright angel named Lucifer who got too big for his britches thinking he could be like god. God, not being a proponent of free thought, became angry with Lucifer and cast him and one-third of Lucifer's allied angels out of heaven ….

That sounds like some kind of fan fiction. Please give the Bible scripture that tells the same?

It's fiction all right--straight out of the Bible. Isaiah 14:12-14 New Revised Standard Version (NRSV):

How you are fallen from heaven,
O Day Star, son of Dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low!
You said in your heart,
“I will ascend to heaven;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit on the mount of assembly
on the heights of Zaphon;
I will ascend to the tops of the clouds,
I will make myself like the Most High.�

You may also want to check Ezekiel 28:12-19 for more on the evil angel that God created.

Luckily I have Bible instead of your version of Biblical matters.

I have a Bible too. I actually read it.

[Tcg]

Just because there are some people who don't know the Lord, that doesn't mean that he is unknowable.

Given the near endless versions of "the Lord" that are presented by those who claim to know "the Lord", there is no way to know who, if any, are right. It is perfectly possible that they are all wrong.

Just because there are people who don't understand the Bible, that doesn't mean that it isn't understandable.

Just because some claim to understand the Bible, doesn't mean they are right. Just as above, given the myriad interpretations of the Bible, those who claim to know it can't all be right. They can all be wrong, however.


Tcg

[benchwarmer]

Question for Debate: How would you describe the Christian god?

Jealous:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Exodus 20:5 New International Version (NIV)
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Vengeful:

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearc ... ersion=NIV

Romans 12:19 [Full Chapter]
Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,� says the Lord.

Makes mistakes:

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearc ... ersion=NIV

Genesis 6:6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

Incompetent at finding practical solutions:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Genesis 6:7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.�

Irrational:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.

Racist:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Exodus 23:23 New International Version (NIV)
23 My angel will go ahead of you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites and Jebusites, and I will wipe them out.

Fine with slavery:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Exodus 21:21 New International Version (NIV)
21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

Invisible:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Colossians 1:15 New International Version (NIV)
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

Not exactly my idea of a stand up guy/god, but perhaps that's why I don't believe in this mythology anymore.

[Jagella]

[Replying to post 7 by benchwarmer]

God might be described as misogynist too. See Biblical sexism.

[JehovahsWitness]

Jealous:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

Exodus 20:5 New International Version (NIV)
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

Is "jealousy" always a negative quality?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 386#782386







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[JehovahsWitness]

Makes mistakes:

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearc ... ersion=NIV

Genesis 6:6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

GENESIS 6:6

New Living Translation
So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.

Good News Translation
he was sorry that he had ever made them and put them on the earth. He was so filled with regret

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