Did God restore Israel in 1948?

[dad1]

Israel must be back in the land in the end time according to the bible. Some people suggest that God brought them back, and that they are now fulfilling prophesy such as the desert blooming like a rose etc. Can anyone support that idea? Several denominations do make such claims.

In the end, after the remnant repents and Jesus returns, is when God restores believing Israel to the land. Not, as far as I can tell, in 1948. So, there are good bible teaching preachers that seem to think otherwise (Jack Hibbs, Behold Israel, Jan Markell, James Kaddis, Bret meador, etc etc). The thread is for someone to support their claims. In other threads I have not seen this done yet.

[2ndpillar2]

Yeshua had the keys yet turned them over to Peter to fulfill the Law and the prophets according to Mt 5:17 & Mt 16:19, which was the fulfillment of Is 22:15-25.

Unless He was talking about believers (the church) Peter was not to fulfill the law and prophets! Jesus did that.

He doesn't need them while in heaven, and he will reclaim them when the devil is locked into the pit.

Show a verse that says Jesus reclaims keys at a certain time? Otherwise why make stuff up?

As for any born during the millennium, they will all die after the age of 100 years or be thought of as accursed (Is 65:20).

Right..and...so? Point?

At the white throne judgment, they will rise from the dead along with other dead and be judged according to their deeds (Rev 20:12).

And...point?

As for the writings of Paul, the tare seed, the message of the "evil one" (Mt 13), it was planted right alongside the wheat seed, in the same field/book/NT, and will remain protected until the "end of the age", whereas the angels will gather the tares into a bundle and toss them into the furnace of fire (Mt 13:30).

Not sure, but you seem to be blaspheming here and badmouthing Paul.

Yeshua has not fulfilled the LAW and the prophets, as of this moment. The "day of the LORD" remains in the future, and the establishment of the "kingdom" remains unfulfilled (Ez 37). As for Peter and the keys, if Peter was given the keys, as stated in Mt 16, then Yeshua would not have them in his possession during the interval between Peter and his heirs receiving them and when Yeshua would reclaim them, which would be when the holder of the keys (Isaiah 22:22-25) was to "break off" and "fall", which would be "in that day", which would be the "day of the LORD" (Is 22:25)(Joel 2:31-32). As for Paul, it seems you are claiming Paul is God, which would exceed Paul's false claims, that he only speaks for God. If Paul does not speak for God, and actually speaks against the Word of God, then what I say is the Truth, and of course the Truth is only for those with ears to hear. (Mt 13:13).

[dad1]

Yeshua has not fulfilled the LAW and the prophets, as of this moment.

Well, Peter certainly hasn't!

The "day of the LORD" remains in the future, and the establishment of the "kingdom" remains unfulfilled (Ez 37).

The kingdom of God is here in us. He is not ruling the world yet, that is later.

As for Peter and the keys, if Peter was given the keys, as stated in Mt 16,

The verse before was talking about the church. We all have eternal life and the keys to heaven. Not just Peter.

then Yeshua would not have them in his possession during the interval between Peter and his heirs receiving them and when Yeshua would reclaim them

Jesus Is the door, the way, the key to heaven. He needs no keys, we do.

, which would be when the holder of the keys (Isaiah 22:22-25) was to "break off" and "fall"

Nonsensical interpretation, the man referred to was a type of Christ. The government will be committed to Him...etc. The other guy in the chapter has zero to do with the end time.

"shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; meaning, not Eliakim before spoken of, who really was a nail fastened in a sure place, and not to be removed; but Shebna, who thought himself to be as a nail in a sure place, being put into it by the king, and supported by his authority, and courted by his friends and flatterers; for to him the whole preceding prophecy is directed, which is carried down to this verse; for all that is said of the glory and usefulness of his successor Eliakim was to be told to him, which would make it still the more grievous to him, to be degraded and disgraced as he would be, signified by his being removed, cast down, and falling:"
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries ... l#verse-20

You are spamming verses that have no relation to what you are saying or that is being discussed. You might as well use random words.

As for Paul, it seems you are claiming Paul is God,

Foolish and false claim. No one said any such thing. A respected apostle and gospel writer is not God.

which would exceed Paul's false claims, that he only speaks for God.

More blasphemy and lies about what the bible says.

If Paul does not speak for God, and actually speaks against the Word of God, then what I say is the Truth

If not then guess where that leaves you?

[2ndpillar2]

Yeshua has not fulfilled the LAW and the prophets, as of this moment.

Well, Peter certainly hasn't!

The "day of the LORD" remains in the future, and the establishment of the "kingdom" remains unfulfilled (Ez 37).

The kingdom of God is here in us. He is not ruling the world yet, that is later.

As for Peter and the keys, if Peter was given the keys, as stated in Mt 16,

The verse before was talking about the church. We all have eternal life and the keys to heaven. Not just Peter.

then Yeshua would not have them in his possession during the interval between Peter and his heirs receiving them and when Yeshua would reclaim them

Jesus Is the door, the way, the key to heaven. He needs no keys, we do.

, which would be when the holder of the keys (Isaiah 22:22-25) was to "break off" and "fall"

Nonsensical interpretation, the man referred to was a type of Christ. The government will be committed to Him...etc. The other guy in the chapter has zero to do with the end time.

"shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; meaning, not Eliakim before spoken of, who really was a nail fastened in a sure place, and not to be removed; but Shebna, who thought himself to be as a nail in a sure place, being put into it by the king, and supported by his authority, and courted by his friends and flatterers; for to him the whole preceding prophecy is directed, which is carried down to this verse; for all that is said of the glory and usefulness of his successor Eliakim was to be told to him, which would make it still the more grievous to him, to be degraded and disgraced as he would be, signified by his being removed, cast down, and falling:"
https://www.studylight.org/commentaries ... l#verse-20

You are spamming verses that have no relation to what you are saying or that is being discussed. You might as well use random words.

As for Paul, it seems you are claiming Paul is God,

Foolish and false claim. No one said any such thing. A respected apostle and gospel writer is not God.

which would exceed Paul's false claims, that he only speaks for God.

More blasphemy and lies about what the bible says.

If Paul does not speak for God, and actually speaks against the Word of God, then what I say is the Truth

If not then guess where that leaves you?

Peter (Shebna), was placed in charge of the royal household (church), who was "cast into a foreign country" (Rome), "shamed his master's house" (Is 22:18) in fulfillment of Zechariah 13:4-7 with his visions, fulfilled his part when he denied Christ 3 times (Mt 26:31-34), and was replaced by Eliakim (pope) who also claims to hold the keys of the house of David (Is 22:22), whereas one can open and no one can shut (Is 22:22), and who will be as a "peg" driven into a firm place, which will "in that day" "break off", and all (Gentile church) "hanging on to him, will be "cut off". Peter and Paul and are supposedly buried under their Roman Catholic basilicas in Rome. The only part left of Paul, as the "false prophet", is his demon spirit per Rev 16:13, who will draw the nations/Gentiles into a conflict with Jerusalem, which will apparently be led by the iron (Rome as in present day Czar Putin), and an Islamic clay Persia, which is the breast of silver (Daniel 7:5). The "way" into life is narrow and few that follow (Mt 7:13-24 & 19:16) and involves keeping the Commandments. Whereas the way to "destruction" is wide and "many" that follow that broad path led by the "false prophets" of Mt 7:15. As for the kingdom taught by Yeshua's disciples, it was one pronounced with power and spirit, and included the raising of the dead, the healing of the sick, cleansing the lepers and casting out demons (Mt 10:8). If you claim any of those powers, then you must be hiding under a rock. As for Paul self-claiming that he is an apostle, well Rev 2, with respect to Paul's town of Ephesus pretty well covers his role as a self-proclaimed apostle, who according to Rev 2:2, those claims are false. John 5:31 If I Testify About Myself, My Testimony Is Not Valid, which is with respect to the LAW (Deut 19:15) and applies to Paul as well. The fact the "everyone will die for their own iniquity" (Jer 31:30) kind of makes Paul and the serpent (Gen 3:4) false prophets from the starting block. They both prophesized lies.

[dad1]

Peter (Shebna), was placed in charge of the royal household (church),

The rock that Jesus founded the church on was Himself. He is the rock. Then He tells Peter, on THIS rock, (the fact that I am the Christ) I build the church. Peter was more like a pebble.

who was "cast into a foreign country" (Rome), "shamed his master's house" (Is 22:18)

Hey, we are not communicating here. Peter is not in that chapter. Maybe peddle your doctrines to someone else.
Really. You lost me badmouthing Paul.

[2ndpillar2]

Peter (Shebna), was placed in charge of the royal household (church),

The rock that Jesus founded the church on was Himself. He is the rock. Then He tells Peter, on THIS rock, (the fact that I am the Christ) I build the church. Peter was more like a pebble.

who was "cast into a foreign country" (Rome), "shamed his master's house" (Is 22:18)

Hey, we are not communicating here. Peter is not in that chapter. Maybe peddle your doctrines to someone else.
Really. You lost me badmouthing Paul.

The petras (foundation stone), that the church was built on was that "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father, who is in heaven", in other words the spirit of prophecy, which according to Rev 19:10 is the "testimony of Yeshua". The "rock"/"stone" per Isaiah 28:16, that is the foundation of God's mountain/tabernacle, "Zion", is determined by "justice" & "righteousness" (Is 28:16-18), which would be the LAW and the prophets, whereas the "pact with Sheol"/death, the gospel of grace, based on a "refuge of lies", will "not stand". (Is 28:18). Petros simply means small stone, much like the sand which is the foundation of the "house"/church which will "fall" (Mt 7:24-27) when the rains come. As for both Peter and Paul, they were the two staffs/shepherds taken to "pasture" the "flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7). The 3rd shepherd of Zech 11 was Judas Iscariot per Mt 27:9-10 & Zech 11:12-18. Peter was simply the staff called "cords", who was termed the "worthless shepherd". A "shepherd" chosen by the LORD who along with the other two would be "annihilated" in the same "month"/generation. (Zech 11:8) And no, the house of Israel was not "restored" in 1948. There is a difference between the state of Israel, which is the home of Judah, and the whole house of Israel, which includes 12 tribes, excluding Levi, depending on time frame. Yeshua called Simon bar Jonas petros, to fulfill the LAW and the prophets (Is 22:15-25), to put the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17), Peter, into the picture.

[dad1]

The petras (foundation stone), that the church was built on was that "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father, who is in heaven", in other words the spirit of prophecy, which according to Rev 19:10 is the "testimony of Yeshua". The "rock"/"stone" per Isaiah 28:16, that is the foundation of God's mountain/tabernacle, "Zion", is determined by "justice" & "righteousness" (Is 28:16-18), which would be the LAW and the prophets, whereas the "pact with Sheol"/death, the gospel of grace, based on a "refuge of lies", will "not stand". (Is 28:18). Petros simply means small stone, much like the sand which is the foundation of the "house"/church which will "fall" (Mt 7:24-27) when the rains come. As for both Peter and Paul, they were the two staffs/shepherds taken to "pasture" the "flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7). The 3rd shepherd of Zech 11 was Judas Iscariot per Mt 27:9-10 & Zech 11:12-18. Peter was simply the staff called "cords", who was termed the "worthless shepherd". A "shepherd" chosen by the LORD who along with the other two would be "annihilated" in the same "month"/generation. (Zech 11:8) And no, the house of Israel was not "restored" in 1948. There is a difference between the state of Israel, which is the home of Judah, and the whole house of Israel, which includes 12 tribes, excluding Levi, depending on time frame. Yeshua called Simon bar Jonas petros, to fulfill the LAW and the prophets (Is 22:15-25), to put the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17), Peter, into the picture.

As I said, you lost me when you badmouthed the apostle Paul. Run along.

[JehovahsWitness]

Israel was restored over 2,000 years ago when Cyrus issued the order for the Jews to return to their homeland.

No. That has nothing to do with when all Israel gets saved and Jesus returns and restores them.

Also, the planet and the heavens are never said to be destroyed.

Yet Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away. The New testament tells us we look forward to new heavens.

They are said to be EXPOSED and restored, with all wickedness done away with.

No. They are to be burned with fire.

The writing of Peter in this regard is metaphorical, and if we would take the time to really think about it we could understand this.

No. There are many places that speak of this.
Isaiah 65:17
For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.


Peter also makes it clear. 1 Peter 3: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.


10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Calling it metaphorical is unbelief.

(A good source for really getting the meaning of this is www.jw.org .......put any question in the box in right hand corner.

Ha. JW. Need we say more?

All of those verses are speaking in metaphor.




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[dad1]

All of those verses are speaking in metaphor.

Maybe your post is metaphor.

[2ndpillar2]

The petras (foundation stone), that the church was built on was that "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father, who is in heaven", in other words the spirit of prophecy, which according to Rev 19:10 is the "testimony of Yeshua". The "rock"/"stone" per Isaiah 28:16, that is the foundation of God's mountain/tabernacle, "Zion", is determined by "justice" & "righteousness" (Is 28:16-18), which would be the LAW and the prophets, whereas the "pact with Sheol"/death, the gospel of grace, based on a "refuge of lies", will "not stand". (Is 28:18). Petros simply means small stone, much like the sand which is the foundation of the "house"/church which will "fall" (Mt 7:24-27) when the rains come. As for both Peter and Paul, they were the two staffs/shepherds taken to "pasture" the "flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zech 11:7). The 3rd shepherd of Zech 11 was Judas Iscariot per Mt 27:9-10 & Zech 11:12-18. Peter was simply the staff called "cords", who was termed the "worthless shepherd". A "shepherd" chosen by the LORD who along with the other two would be "annihilated" in the same "month"/generation. (Zech 11:8) And no, the house of Israel was not "restored" in 1948. There is a difference between the state of Israel, which is the home of Judah, and the whole house of Israel, which includes 12 tribes, excluding Levi, depending on time frame. Yeshua called Simon bar Jonas petros, to fulfill the LAW and the prophets (Is 22:15-25), to put the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17), Peter, into the picture.

As I said, you lost me when you badmouthed the apostle Paul. Run along.

Apparently, the "many", who are running down the broad path to destruction (Mt 7:13), do so at the behest of the 'false prophets" (Mt 7:15), of whom Paul is foremost among them, who teaches "lawlessness" (Mt 7:15-23), and who will be told along with the "many", "I never knew you".

[dad1]

Apparently, the "many", who are running down the broad path to destruction (Mt 7:13), do so at the behest of the 'false prophets" (Mt 7:15), of whom Paul is foremost among them, who teaches "lawlessness" (Mt 7:15-23), and who will be told along with the "many", "I never knew you".

Thanks for showing your fangs. Pardon my if I raise my foot.