Is homosexuality worse than heterosexual infidelity?

[Moses Yoder]

I don't normally copy and paste an article but this is great stuff. At the end I have a question.

The morning after Chick-fil-A day
AUGUST 2, 2012 BY MIKE PATZ 1 COMMENT

Its the morning after the Chick-fil-A drama and Im still chewing.

I remember the day I was sitting next to an incredibly nice gay guy, enjoying a really good conversation when he dropped the ultimate conversation-killer.

What do you do for a living?

I hate that question. I hate that question because people cant help but size you up when they hear the answer. I hate that question because were already prone to think of ourselves as human doings instead of human beings. I hate that question because of what it does to people when they find out what I do.

Ive often tried to find ways around the question. Ive told people I work with non-profit organizations (this is true). Ive told people that I write (this is true). Ive even told people that I am a spiritual guru that assists people in opening their third eye (I really like this one). For whatever reason, on that day, I just cut to the chase. I work as a pastor of a church.

Everything changed. His next words went something like this:

Listen, Im gay and Im content with who I am. Im sure you are going to say that I was not born this way, and I wont argue the point. For a significant part of my childhood I was violated by a neighbor and then an uncle. Did that play a role in my sexual orientation? Possibly. I also know many people that had a trouble-free childhood and they turned out very happily gay. Regardless of how it occurred, this is who I am now and I make no apologies for the man I have become. If God has a problem with a man who tries to be true to himself, then I have a problem with a God that allows these kinds of things to happen to kids like me in the first place.

I kept thinking how much easier it would have been if I said I was a writer.


Fortunately, Jesus has a way of showing up in the middle of conversations just like these, and on that day He did not disappoint. My friend shared his heart, and I shared mine. Ive never seen people change via argument, which is why I prefer to help people taste and see that the Lord is good.

This is where Christians tend to blow it.

They taste really bad. They serve up some really Biblical truth in some really nauseating ways. They major on minors and minor on majors. They tend to be extremely unaware of their pride, and pride is like bad breath " everybody knows you have it, except for you. Its always easy to scream the loudest about sins you do not personally struggle with.

So why are we yelling?

Im still not sure why Christians are so militant in their opposition of homosexual immorality while they seem to go so mild with their opposition of heterosexual immorality. I hear the concern about homosexuality and the catch phrase is often family values: Imagine how much it will mess up a child who is being raised by two women, the reasoning goes. A kid needs both a father and a mother, we say. Yet the gays I speak with often wonder how the church can talk about family values when 50-60% of Christian couples divorce. Talk about family values. So a community of people that do not stay married is trying to talk to us about marital morality. How ironic.

In light of the fact that Christians have just as much pre-marital sex and watch just as much porn and divorce just as frequently why arent we more embarrassed to speak out on the issue of homosexual sin? Good question.

One guy said, Its funny how you can claim the grace of God to cover heterosexual sin while saying that homosexual sin is beyond the reach of Gods grace.

That brings me to all the Chick"fil-A drama.

I get why Chick-fil-A day looked so annoying to so many people yesterday. I understand why people have planned a kiss-in this Friday. And I can see why people shake their heads when they read yet another homophobic Facebook post.

Church people ask, why wont our culture repent? My answer: because repentance is a learned behavior. Someone has to model it. I tell parents that its silly to expect a child to repent when they have never seen a parent repent. And its futile to wait for a culture to repent when a culture has never seen the Church repent.

Is the real problem with our culture the unrepentant gay community? No. Its an unrepentant Church.

I am so sorry today for all the hatred that Christians have dished out toward gays. I am so sorry for all of the homophobic sarcasm that has come from the pulpits of Christian ministers. I am so sorry for the way we pick and choose which sins to condemn. I am so sorry that we have claimed to follow Jesus while we neglected widows and orphans, and then engaged in gossip and gluttony. I am so sorry that we have provided such a bad example for the rest of society to follow. Im embarrassed, Im ashamed, and I repent. Im serious. I repent.

Yet Im also concerned that when our culture most needs to hear truth, Christians dont know how to tell it.

Weve come to a dangerous moment in culture, and Christians are ill-equipped to handle it. We have reached the point where disagreement is now seen as hatred. I read an article today where a woman was appealing to Christians to recognize their hateful crimes against the homosexual community. I nodded in agreement, but decided to keep reading to see how she itemized these crimes. Paragraph after paragraph described the hurt and rejection resulting from these offenses, but it took a while to get to the actual crime: Christians claim that homosexuality is a sin. I was stunned. Disagreement was equated with hate.

Christians have a substantial challenge on their hands because every generation and every culture is going to disagree with Gods truth at some point. How interesting that our USAmerican culture considers Christianity to be closed-minded on the issue of sexual morality, while the majority of world religions are in agreement in opposition to the USA position on sexuality. Is USA culture not closed-minded for claiming that all these other religions are wrong? Is it not hypocrisy to say that we will be tolerant with everybody " except the people we consider intolerant. Closed-mindedness is not just a religious thing, its a human thing.

If ever Christians needed some good breath, it is now.

Because we have to kiss this world with the truth of God.

The problem is, no matter how good your kiss, your breath can ruin the whole experience. And no matter how much truth we bring, if it does not drip with grace and humility, it always falls flat.

Im not asking Christians to stop telling the truth, Im asking them to brush their teeth.

What does that look like? The apostle Paul said to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy towards all people. (Titus 3:2)

Can you imagine what would happen if an entire chunk of Christians decided to embrace the Titus 3:2 approach? Will people be staging protests and kiss-ins to protest Chick-fil-A? Maybe. But the way of Jesus is to speak evil of no one. Has Chick-fil-A been bullied? Yes. But the kingdom of Jesus response is to avoid quarreling. Is there more drama to come as our culture becomes increasingly polarized? Of course. But if God is our Father, then we have to start showing the family resemblance, being gentle and showing perfect courtesy. This should have an effect on the way we post our thoughts on Facebook. Or talk to angry people at work. Or wait in line at Chick-fil-A.

You see, we cant shrink back on truth-telling or we dishonor the very Gospel. But when we bring the truth of Jesus we have to do it in the Spirit of Jesus.

Or stop being surprised when our culture doesnt want a kiss.

Is homosexuality worse than heterosexual infidelity? If not, why do Christians hate gay people so much? If the two are equally bad, why do so many Christians who would never be gay cheat on their wife?

[noshameinChrist]

[Replying to post 106 by KCKID]

Actually, your question is not frustrating at all (at least not for me - as a Christian). I do think however that it is steeped in absolute rejection of scripture. I think you know that scripture opposes homosexual relationships.

I think it is more courageous to simply say "I reject this" instead of bantering about with insincere questions about whether Jesus specifically and expressly condemns homosexual relationships.

Bottom line, it is your CHOICE whether or not to follow Christ. Nobody can take that right to choose away from you. I personally would encourage to follow Christ, but I realize I cannot make you do it.

The Bible teach that at one time period God overlooked ignorance, but now he commands all men to repent (Acts 17:30). Whether or not you understand or believe this will not make it any less true.

And if you wish to claim christianity and to follow the teachings of christ and christ makes absolutely no mention of homosexuality then you by rejecting homosexuality on the basis of christs teachings are committing HERESY.
Do you follow christ's teaching?

As I have said already, I believe Christ has spoken on the subject. This was done through at least of one of his apostles - Paul (Roman 1:27). In addition, when Christ spoke of the subject of sexual relationships it was always between a man and a woman (e.g. Matthew 5:31ff). You simply are wrong my friend.

Funny how Paul never actually met the earthly Jesus, but knew SO much about what he wanted.

I rather suspect that most people who claim to be Christian follow Paul more than Jesus.

If I might ask, which of the NT books would you say a Christian should follow if they wished to follow Jesus?

It is not a matter of the book, but sifting through the books to seperate what Jesus said verses what is said about Jesus. Some, like the revelation of John, and the GOJ seem so bizarre that it's hard to take them seriously.

Can you give me an example of what Jesus said, and an example of what is said about Jesus in the NT?

You mean, the difference betweeen Matthew 25, and 1st john 1:27?

So, just so we are clear, you are saying Christians should follow Matthew 25 because these words are direct quotes from Jesus, right? There is no 1st John 1:27. Do you mean John 1:27 where John the Baptist is talking "about" Jesus? I am just trying to clarify before responding to your earlier point.

[KCKID]

[Replying to post 106 by KCKID]

Actually, your question is not frustrating at all (at least not for me - as a Christian). I do think however that it is steeped in absolute rejection of scripture. I think you know that scripture opposes homosexual relationships.

I think it is more courageous to simply say "I reject this" instead of bantering about with insincere questions about whether Jesus specifically and expressly condemns homosexual relationships.

Bottom line, it is your CHOICE whether or not to follow Christ. Nobody can take that right to choose away from you. I personally would encourage to follow Christ, but I realize I cannot make you do it.

The Bible teach that at one time period God overlooked ignorance, but now he commands all men to repent (Acts 17:30). Whether or not you understand or believe this will not make it any less true.

The problem that has occurred within mainstream Christianity is that 'the Bible' has actually become 'Jesus'. Christianity per se is so simple that anyone can follow the MAIN teaching of Jesus without all of the additional 'fluff'. The message of Jesus is LOVE and not CONDEMNATION. While we all know this it doesn't seem to sink in with many. It's not the focusing on the perceived sins of others but on walking a mile in the mocassins of others. People 'sin' for all kinds of reasons and it's oftentimes not simply because they are wicked. Few people are 'wicked' per se. Oftentimes, in fact, a 'sin' might only be so-called in the mind of the beholder. That said, I have seen no effort whatever by the anti-gay people on this forum to even CONSIDER why a gay person is a gay person to begin with. On the contrary, all I hear from these people is the continual parrotting of sin! sin! sin! SIN ...what an utterly STUPID word that is! Just think about it . . .

Jesus appears to have turned a blind eye to the 'common sinner' while He more set His sights upon those who consider themselves pious and zero in on the perceived sins or the more obvious sinful acts of others. Jesus clearly demonstrated this in the story of the adultrous woman. Whether that story actually happened is not nearly as important as the message it gives. It demonstrated that Jesus does not condemn but that he forgives. It also demonstrates His total disinterest in the Pharisaical ones among us. And this is why, I believe, that many tend to disregard the opinions/posts of people that smack of condemnation and show a total lack of any concern for those that they condemn. Such people as the former, though perhaps unwittingly, are actually demonstrating Jesus when they ignore the pious rants of the Pharisees.

Please note, the last words Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery was "GO AND SIN NO MORE" (John 8:11).

I just love it when Christians feel the need to add that little extra bit as if it applies to everyone else but themselves. Jesus knew that the woman would undoubtedly sin again - even if not that paticualar sin - by virtue of her being human. Reread the text and this time imagine Jesus quoting, "Go and sin no more" and adding a wink afterward. I'm quite sure that it was said tongue-in-cheek since He had just sent the Pharisees scurrying away with their list of normally covert but recently exposed (by Jesus) sins. This was not a command given by Jesus as it would be impossible to fulfill. If it was then we're ALL in big trouble! You WILL notice that Jesus did not say, "Go and sin no more ...OR ELSE!"

You are right, Jesus did forgive and show mercy in that instance. But, he did not condone her reported sexual immorality.

We can assume that Jesus would not have approved but we are not told this from the text.

He showed her LOVE by both forgiving her, and by admonishing her about how to live.

Well, it was hardly an admonishment. From the get-go Jesus had little interest in the woman and her alleged sin and was far more interested in making her accusers look like fools. He succeeded too! And THAT (exposing the hypocrites) is the main gist of the story ...not the woman and her adulterous ways. What, d'you think, we can we learn from this story?

So often people embrace Jesus' love and forgiveness, but they want to do whatever they want to do.

I think that's an exaggeration. People will stray every now and again which is only human but I can't imagine people SERIOUSLY embracing Jesus' love and forgiveness while 'doing whatever they want to do', as you say. By that I'm assuming that your 'whatever they want to do' is intended to be a bad thing. Surely, someone with homosexual tendencies who practices intimacy with another such like willing adult would hardly be categorized as an evil-doer ...? Perhaps if this were done in public worship venues as depraved acts of worship to Molech or Cybele or some such idol there might be a need for concern. However, in all my years in the Church I can honestly say that I have never witnessed such a thing ...

This was never the teaching of Christ. Hence, he said "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance" (Matthew 9:13). To "repent" means to change your life to conform to the ways of Christ.

What does a homosexual need to repent of ...their innate sexuality?

[noshameinChrist]

[Replying to post 106 by KCKID]

Actually, your question is not frustrating at all (at least not for me - as a Christian). I do think however that it is steeped in absolute rejection of scripture. I think you know that scripture opposes homosexual relationships.

I think it is more courageous to simply say "I reject this" instead of bantering about with insincere questions about whether Jesus specifically and expressly condemns homosexual relationships.

Bottom line, it is your CHOICE whether or not to follow Christ. Nobody can take that right to choose away from you. I personally would encourage to follow Christ, but I realize I cannot make you do it.

The Bible teach that at one time period God overlooked ignorance, but now he commands all men to repent (Acts 17:30). Whether or not you understand or believe this will not make it any less true.

The problem that has occurred within mainstream Christianity is that 'the Bible' has actually become 'Jesus'. Christianity per se is so simple that anyone can follow the MAIN teaching of Jesus without all of the additional 'fluff'. The message of Jesus is LOVE and not CONDEMNATION. While we all know this it doesn't seem to sink in with many. It's not the focusing on the perceived sins of others but on walking a mile in the mocassins of others. People 'sin' for all kinds of reasons and it's oftentimes not simply because they are wicked. Few people are 'wicked' per se. Oftentimes, in fact, a 'sin' might only be so-called in the mind of the beholder. That said, I have seen no effort whatever by the anti-gay people on this forum to even CONSIDER why a gay person is a gay person to begin with. On the contrary, all I hear from these people is the continual parrotting of sin! sin! sin! SIN ...what an utterly STUPID word that is! Just think about it . . .

Jesus appears to have turned a blind eye to the 'common sinner' while He more set His sights upon those who consider themselves pious and zero in on the perceived sins or the more obvious sinful acts of others. Jesus clearly demonstrated this in the story of the adultrous woman. Whether that story actually happened is not nearly as important as the message it gives. It demonstrated that Jesus does not condemn but that he forgives. It also demonstrates His total disinterest in the Pharisaical ones among us. And this is why, I believe, that many tend to disregard the opinions/posts of people that smack of condemnation and show a total lack of any concern for those that they condemn. Such people as the former, though perhaps unwittingly, are actually demonstrating Jesus when they ignore the pious rants of the Pharisees.

Please note, the last words Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery was "GO AND SIN NO MORE" (John 8:11).

I just love it when Christians feel the need to add that little extra bit as if it applies to everyone else but themselves. Jesus knew that the woman would undoubtedly sin again - even if not that paticualar sin - by virtue of her being human. Reread the text and this time imagine Jesus quoting, "Go and sin no more" and adding a wink afterward. I'm quite sure that it was said tongue-in-cheek since He had just sent the Pharisees scurrying away with their list of normally covert but recently exposed (by Jesus) sins. This was not a command given by Jesus as it would be impossible to fulfill. If it was then we're ALL in big trouble! You WILL notice that Jesus did not say, "Go and sin no more ...OR ELSE!"

As a Christian, I do NOT believe that sin is a "tongue-in-cheek" matter. Jesus died a horrible cruel death on the cross, so that mankind's sins might be forgiven, and you think sin is no big deal?? Wow.

You are right, Jesus did forgive and show mercy in that instance. But, he did not condone her reported sexual immorality.

We can assume that Jesus would not have approved but we are not told this from the text.

Really? There are no clues to indicate that he disapproved of adultery, huh? I think you know better than that.

He showed her LOVE by both forgiving her, and by admonishing her about how to live.

Well, it was hardly an admonishment. From the get-go Jesus had little interest in the woman and her alleged sin and was far more interested in making her accusers look like fools. He succeeded too! And THAT (exposing the hypocrites) is the main gist of the story ...not the woman and her adulterous ways. What, d'you think, we can we learn from this story?

I agree that the gist of the narrative is to show the hypocrisy of the people seeking to stone the woman. I disagree with you, however, as I believe Jesus cared for the woman (just as he does all of us).

So often people embrace Jesus' love and forgiveness, but they want to do whatever they want to do.

I think that's an exaggeration. People will stray every now and again which is only human but I can't imagine people SERIOUSLY embracing Jesus' love and forgiveness while 'doing whatever they want to do', as you say. By that I'm assuming that your 'whatever they want to do' is intended to be a bad thing. Surely, someone with homosexual tendencies who practices intimacy with another such like willing adult would hardly be categorized as an evil-doer ...? Perhaps if this were done in public worship venues as depraved acts of worship to Molech or Cybele or some such idol there might be a need for concern. However, in all my years in the Church I can honestly say that I have never witnessed such a thing ...

Homosexual sex is sinful, just as adultery and fornication are. The fact that they occur between consenting adults does not remove this fact. I believe sinning (engaging in activities in opposition to God) is dangerous. You obviously disagree, as your 'tongue-in-cheek' remark suggests. Your choice.

This was never the teaching of Christ. Hence, he said "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance" (Matthew 9:13). To "repent" means to change your life to conform to the ways of Christ.

What does a homosexual need to repent of ...their innate sexuality?

Sin. The same as an adulterer, fornicator, thief, murderer, etc.

[Allahakbar]

[Replying to post 132 by noshameinChrist]

According to you, homosexuals need to seek forgiveness for the way god created them, because Jesus never ever condemned them and you are a follower of Jesus. Is this the position you are championing?

[noshameinChrist]

[Replying to post 132 by noshameinChrist]

According to you, homosexuals need to seek forgiveness for the way god created them, because Jesus never ever condemned them and you are a follower of Jesus. Is this the position you are championing?

My friend, I am a follower of Christ. He is the champion of salvation, which is offered to all mankind. Scripture teaches that the Lord does not wish for anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9). This is what I try to advance.

Those who engage in homosexual sex need to seek forgiveness for that sin just as someone who might commit fornication or adultery (or in fact any other sin).

I do not believe "God created" people to be homosexual. I believe it is their choice to engage in that conduct. By the same token, I don't believe God created people to engage in fornication or adultery. People make the choice to engage in those acts as well.

Note -- I am not talking about a person's "feelings". I cannot control what a person might be attracted to. I am a married man, but not withstanding this fact I still feel attraction for females other than my wife. However, I have been able to avoid putting myself in a position where I might commit adultery. I don't just simply say, "well, I have an attraction for that female, so I am going to go ahead and have sex with her." To do so would be sin, because adultery is against God (no matter what I might feel). The same applies to homosexual sex. This sin cannot be made OK by "marriage". Homosexual sex is still a sin (no matter what society determines).

[Goat]

[Replying to post 132 by noshameinChrist]

According to you, homosexuals need to seek forgiveness for the way god created them, because Jesus never ever condemned them and you are a follower of Jesus. Is this the position you are championing?

My friend, I am a follower of Christ. He is the champion of salvation, which is offered to all mankind. Scripture teaches that the Lord does not wish for anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9). This is what I try to advance.

Those who engage in homosexual sex need to seek forgiveness for that sin just as someone who might commit fornication or adultery (or in fact any other sin).

I do not believe "God created" people to be homosexual. I believe it is their choice to engage in that conduct. By the same token, I don't believe God created people to engage in fornication or adultery. People make the choice to engage in those acts as well.

Note -- I am not talking about a person's "feelings". I cannot control what a person might be attracted to. I am a married man, but not withstanding this fact I still feel attraction for females other than my wife. However, I have been able to avoid putting myself in a position where I might commit adultery. I don't just simply say, "well, I have an attraction for that female, so I am going to go ahead and have sex with her." To do so would be sin, because adultery is against God (no matter what I might feel). The same applies to homosexual sex. This sin cannot be made OK by "marriage". Homosexual sex is still a sin (no matter what society determines).

So, when did you decide to be attracted to the opposite gender , rather than the same gender.

I never chose.. I always was attracted to the opposite sex rather than the same sex.

[Allahakbar]

[Replying to post 132 by noshameinChrist]

According to you, homosexuals need to seek forgiveness for the way god created them, because Jesus never ever condemned them and you are a follower of Jesus. Is this the position you are championing?

My friend, I am a follower of Christ. He is the champion of salvation, which is offered to all mankind. Scripture teaches that the Lord does not wish for anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9). This is what I try to advance.

Actually salvation is the prerogative of god, jesus is simply the conduit. According to the NT.

Those who engage in homosexual sex need to seek forgiveness for that sin just as someone who might commit fornication or adultery (or in fact any other sin).

Is this according to Jesus Christ, the one you follow, or someone else? Someone like Paul, who never met Jesus?

I do not believe "God created" people to be homosexual. I believe it is their choice to engage in that conduct. By the same token, I don't believe God created people to engage in fornication or adultery. People make the choice to engage in those acts as well.

I assume that you are heterosexual and as such, according to this statement YOU chose to be heterosexual. When was that? How do you control your homosexual urges since you made that decision?

Note -- I am not talking about a person's "feelings". I cannot control what a person might be attracted to. I am a married man, but not withstanding this fact I still feel attraction for females other than my wife. However, I have been able to avoid putting myself in a position where I might commit adultery. I don't just simply say, "well, I have an attraction for that female, so I am going to go ahead and have sex with her." To do so would be sin, because adultery is against God (no matter what I might feel). The same applies to homosexual sex. This sin cannot be made OK by "marriage". Homosexual sex is still a sin (no matter what society determines).

So do you control your homosexual desires the same way you control your heterosexual desires?

[Clownboat]

[Replying to post 77 by 99percentatheism]

99percentatheism,

Are you sure you are atheist? With comments like this you are going to make our heavenly Father proud. You point about repentance is right on the mark. Keep up these kinds of posts and you will have to change your name to 50percentagnostic.

Ummm, I am employing sarcasm as a debate tactic. Anyone here can claim to be anything they want, even if what they write here contradicts the actuality of their expression.

I am an atheist that believes that Jesus is God and the Creator of the universe.

Is there something wrong with that confession?

Yes 99, there is something very wrong with it.
You see, it's a nonsensical statement.
That probably should bother you.

[noshameinChrist]

[Replying to post 132 by noshameinChrist]

According to you, homosexuals need to seek forgiveness for the way god created them, because Jesus never ever condemned them and you are a follower of Jesus. Is this the position you are championing?

My friend, I am a follower of Christ. He is the champion of salvation, which is offered to all mankind. Scripture teaches that the Lord does not wish for anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9). This is what I try to advance.

Actually salvation is the prerogative of god, jesus is simply the conduit. According to the NT.

You are correct (John 3:16).

Those who engage in homosexual sex need to seek forgiveness for that sin just as someone who might commit fornication or adultery (or in fact any other sin).

Is this according to Jesus Christ, the one you follow, or someone else? Someone like Paul, who never met Jesus?

This is according to Jesus Christ. Jesus authorized Paul to speak on his behalf (Acts 23:11), just as he did other apostles and disciples in the first century (Luke 24:46-48) (John 17:20) (Luke 10:16). Note these passages as you move forward with questions about who I am a follower of. I am a follower of Christ.

I do not believe "God created" people to be homosexual. I believe it is their choice to engage in that conduct. By the same token, I don't believe God created people to engage in fornication or adultery. People make the choice to engage in those acts as well.

I assume that you are heterosexual and as such, according to this statement YOU chose to be heterosexual. When was that? How do you control your homosexual urges since you made that decision?

I actually don't have homosexual urges, but nice try. I honestly don't know when I first chose to engage in heterosexual sex. I do know that it was when I was single. And, I do know that it was a sin when I made the decision to do so. I did not then, and I do not now, attempt to suggest that it was NOT a sin simply because it was something I desired and decided to engage in.

Note -- I am not talking about a person's "feelings". I cannot control what a person might be attracted to. I am a married man, but not withstanding this fact I still feel attraction for females other than my wife. However, I have been able to avoid putting myself in a position where I might commit adultery. I don't just simply say, "well, I have an attraction for that female, so I am going to go ahead and have sex with her." To do so would be sin, because adultery is against God (no matter what I might feel). The same applies to homosexual sex. This sin cannot be made OK by "marriage". Homosexual sex is still a sin (no matter what society determines).

So do you control your homosexual desires the same way you control your heterosexual desires?

As I have said, above, homosexual desire is not an issue for me. I do control my desire to engage in sexual contact with women other than my wife. As a man who really finds women beautiful it is a constant effort for me, but I choose to do this because I love God the most, and I want to go to heaven one day. I guess this is why I am referred to as a "fundie". I'm ok with that.

[Goat]

As I have said, above, homosexual desire is not an issue for me. I do control my desire to engage in sexual contact with women other than my wife. As a man who really finds women beautiful it is a constant effort for me, but I choose to do this because I love God the most, and I want to go to heaven one day. I guess this is why I am referred to as a "fundie". I'm ok with that.

I noticed one question you did not answer is

"When did you choose to be attracted to women over men"? Could you have made another choice? How could you have?