Does (or will) the Kingdom of Heaven transcend the walls (metaphorical) of the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Will those outside of the Watch Tower organization be part of the Kingdom? Will they inherit "eternal life in Paradise on Earth"?
Why or why not?
The Kingdom of Heaven
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Elijah John
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The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #1 My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Post #21
[Replying to post 20 by JehovahsWitness]
I think you have, perhaps deliberately, missed the moral of the story.
Best wishes, 2RM.
I think you have, perhaps deliberately, missed the moral of the story.
Best wishes, 2RM.
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Either that or your garbled nonsensical writing about windows and doors and meadows in heaven. Tough call.2ndRateMind wrote: [Replying to post 20 by JehovahsWitness]
I think you have, perhaps deliberately, missed the moral of the story.
Best wishes, 2RM.
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http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 81#p826681
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Post #23
Can't help thinking that your ill-will does you, and your church, no credit. Or is the lack of any sense of humour a necessary attribute for a Jehovah's Witness?JehovahsWitness wrote:Either that or your garbled nonsensical writing about windows and doors and meadows in heaven. Tough call.2ndRateMind wrote: [Replying to post 20 by JehovahsWitness]
I think you have, perhaps deliberately, missed the moral of the story.
Best wishes, 2RM.
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Best wishes, 2RM.
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Ad hominem duly noted.2ndRateMind wrote: Can't help thinking that your ill-will does you, and your church, no credit. Or is the lack of any sense of humour a necessary attribute for a Jehovah's Witness?
Now if I missed your point you can (if you feel so inclined) like to make it a little clearer. If not, apart from making personal remarks about my person, are we about done here?
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Post #25
[Replying to post 24 by JehovahsWitness]
Well, actually, my point is... No, really, I can't be bothered. Have a nice day.
Cheers, 2RM.
Well, actually, my point is... No, really, I can't be bothered. Have a nice day.
Cheers, 2RM.
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2ndRateMind wrote:
Can't help thinking that your ill-will does you, and your church, no credit. Or is the lack of any sense of humour a necessary attribute for a Jehovah's Witness?
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #27[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
I think this question is invalid, because Paul says that "if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
I think this question is invalid, because Paul says that "if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #28i do not see it as invalid.Petrameansrock wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]
I think this question is invalid, because Paul says that "if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."
You'll have to tell us why you think so.
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Re: The Kingdom of Heaven
Post #29[Replying to post 28 by Monta]
I think it is invalid because the Bible does not give "being a Jehovah's witness" as a requirement to enter the Kingdom of God, and surely not to be saved. In order to enter the Kingdom one must be born of the water and the Spirit, Jesus said it in John 3. The question is if the members of a specific religion (JW) can only enter the Kingdom and that is ludicrous. Catholic, Protestant, JW, Mormon, these labels don't really matter in the end. It comes down to whether you "confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord" to be saved and whether you were "Born of the water and the Spirit" to enter the Kingdom of God. If anybody tells you anything else it is extra-Biblical. To be clear, I think there are certain denominations where this is more likely to take place (like my own), but the denomination doesn't save you or give you entrance into the Kingdom of God.
I think it is invalid because the Bible does not give "being a Jehovah's witness" as a requirement to enter the Kingdom of God, and surely not to be saved. In order to enter the Kingdom one must be born of the water and the Spirit, Jesus said it in John 3. The question is if the members of a specific religion (JW) can only enter the Kingdom and that is ludicrous. Catholic, Protestant, JW, Mormon, these labels don't really matter in the end. It comes down to whether you "confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord" to be saved and whether you were "Born of the water and the Spirit" to enter the Kingdom of God. If anybody tells you anything else it is extra-Biblical. To be clear, I think there are certain denominations where this is more likely to take place (like my own), but the denomination doesn't save you or give you entrance into the Kingdom of God.
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Post #30
So, it's OK to call my posts 'garbled, nonsensical writing', but not OK for me to respond robustly? I told a simple story, with a simple moral, pertinent to the thread title, which was neither garbled nor nonsense. And I resent it being portrayed that way. But, I consider myself duly admonished, and will try to do better in future, though I think JW could do a lot better, also.OnceConvinced wrote:Moderator Comment2ndRateMind wrote:
Can't help thinking that your ill-will does you, and your church, no credit. Or is the lack of any sense of humour a necessary attribute for a Jehovah's Witness?
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