Accountability

[imhereforyou]

God created everything, it's said. If that's the case, there's no legitimate debate that it doesn't includes everything good and bad (if nothing else He allowed good and bad things to be created).
He created mankind and placed them in the garden and gave them the rule of 'don't do this' when he had the ability to eliminate that test all the while saving our free will (for those who believe in free will). Yet he he didn't do this - he placed people in a place knowing they'd fail (or at the very lest, there's a 50/50 shot they'd fail).

Yet many claim it's our fault and basically God has no responsibility in the matter (there's another topic there but that's best saved for another thread).

Let's not debate rather or not God has responsibility for the state of the human race today, or offer excuses for God, but rather let's discuss if we should hold God accountable for his part in all this.

How could we do this?

Or have we placed God in such a place this isn't possible?

[JehovahsWitness]

Let's discuss if we should hold God accountable for his part in all this. How could we do this?

It's not clear what you mean by "this" is but, if you are refering to God's actions ie "Should we hold God accountable for his part for life and all that it involves" then I would say the following:

ACCOUNTABLE
1.
required or expected to justify actions or decisions; responsible.

I would say God is not required to do anything, as supreme ruler of the universe he does as he pleases and their is noone that can impose anything on him. Of course we can "expect" God to justify his actions or decisions (we can expect anything we want , a I can "expect" Bill Gates to give me his millions, even if my expectations are delusional), whether he will or not depends, as I said, on whether he chooses to do so.

Logically we cannot punish God for anything we have may have judged him to have done wrong, any more than a lump of clay can punish the potter for making him a pot not a jug.

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[Wootah]

[Replying to post 1 by imhereforyou]

God is responsible. So we have some options.

1) God is evil. Then why is there still so much good? Why is life still worth it? Is he evil and impotent and not able to be evil enough?

2) God is good. Then let's examine why he still allowed the world to be the way it is.

[liamconnor]

God created everything, it's said. If that's the case, there's no legitimate debate that it doesn't includes everything good and bad (if nothing else He allowed good and bad things to be created).
He created mankind and placed them in the garden and gave them the rule of 'don't do this' when he had the ability to eliminate that test all the while saving our free will (for those who believe in free will). Yet he he didn't do this - he placed people in a place knowing they'd fail (or at the very lest, there's a 50/50 shot they'd fail).

Yet many claim it's our fault and basically God has no responsibility in the matter (there's another topic there but that's best saved for another thread).

Let's not debate rather or not God has responsibility for the state of the human race today, or offer excuses for God, but rather let's discuss if we should hold God accountable for his part in all this.

How could we do this?

Or have we placed God in such a place this isn't possible?

Should we hold God accountable for creating creatures with free will?

This question is answered subjectively:

Would you rather not exist at all; or would you rather exist as you are, with all your history, feelings, joys, pains...writing whatever posts you have been on this site?

[Tired of the Nonsense]

God created everything, it's said. If that's the case, there's no legitimate debate that it doesn't includes everything good and bad (if nothing else He allowed good and bad things to be created).
He created mankind and placed them in the garden and gave them the rule of 'don't do this' when he had the ability to eliminate that test all the while saving our free will (for those who believe in free will). Yet he he didn't do this - he placed people in a place knowing they'd fail (or at the very lest, there's a 50/50 shot they'd fail).

Yet many claim it's our fault and basically God has no responsibility in the matter (there's another topic there but that's best saved for another thread).

Let's not debate rather or not God has responsibility for the state of the human race today, or offer excuses for God, but rather let's discuss if we should hold God accountable for his part in all this.

How could we do this?

Or have we placed God in such a place this isn't possible?

It would seem that holding God accountable is a non starter. Believers Give God a free pass to do anything He chooses. And for non believers, blaming God for anything would be like blaming Santa for not actually showing up on Christmas morning.

[Wootah]

God created everything, it's said. If that's the case, there's no legitimate debate that it doesn't includes everything good and bad (if nothing else He allowed good and bad things to be created).
He created mankind and placed them in the garden and gave them the rule of 'don't do this' when he had the ability to eliminate that test all the while saving our free will (for those who believe in free will). Yet he he didn't do this - he placed people in a place knowing they'd fail (or at the very lest, there's a 50/50 shot they'd fail).

Yet many claim it's our fault and basically God has no responsibility in the matter (there's another topic there but that's best saved for another thread).

Let's not debate rather or not God has responsibility for the state of the human race today, or offer excuses for God, but rather let's discuss if we should hold God accountable for his part in all this.

How could we do this?

Or have we placed God in such a place this isn't possible?

It would seem that holding God accountable is a non starter. Believers Give God a free pass to do anything He chooses. And for non believers, blaming God for anything would be like blaming Santa for not actually showing up on Christmas morning.

So your honest assessment of believers is that they are non-thinking or have not used reason successfully in coming to their conclusions and that atheists can't even start to discuss characters in a book sensibly?

[Tcg]

1) God is evil.

Then why is there still so much good?

God at times chooses not to interfere with humans and the choices they make. When this happens, good is able to flourish.

Why is life still worth it?

It's not, but God doesn't want everyone to commit suicide or else he wouldn't be able to practice evil against humans. He allows just enough pleasure to fool humans into thinking life has a purpose.

Is he evil and impotent and not able to be evil enough?

No. God knows that in order for us to experience the full impact of evil we must experience some good. This experience of good causes the evil he practices to be more painful than if we never experienced good.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

God created everything, it's said. If that's the case, there's no legitimate debate that it doesn't includes everything good and bad (if nothing else He allowed good and bad things to be created).
He created mankind and placed them in the garden and gave them the rule of 'don't do this' when he had the ability to eliminate that test all the while saving our free will (for those who believe in free will). Yet he he didn't do this - he placed people in a place knowing they'd fail (or at the very lest, there's a 50/50 shot they'd fail).

Yet many claim it's our fault and basically God has no responsibility in the matter (there's another topic there but that's best saved for another thread).

Let's not debate rather or not God has responsibility for the state of the human race today, or offer excuses for God, but rather let's discuss if we should hold God accountable for his part in all this.

How could we do this?

Or have we placed God in such a place this isn't possible?

It would seem that holding God accountable is a non starter. Believers Give God a free pass to do anything He chooses. And for non believers, blaming God for anything would be like blaming Santa for not actually showing up on Christmas morning.

So your honest assessment of believers is that they are non-thinking or have not used reason successfully in coming to their conclusions and that atheists can't even start to discuss characters in a book sensibly?

Believers have consistently and repeatedly declared their support for God's orders, as indicated in the Bible, to hack babies and children to death with swords. To commit total genocide. If one can justify such depraved acts than my honest assessment of Christians is that they have been trained to be willing sheep who are then willing to justify the most horrid and evil actions a human can undertake because their book of revealed truth says it was justified.

Are Christians non-thinking? Does that apply to all Christians? Well, let's find out. Do you, as a Christian, support the actions taken in the name of God that are found in Numbers 31:15-18, Joshua 6:20-21, Joshua 11:19-20, Ezekiel 9:4-7, and Samuel 1 15:2-3. Or are you ready to denounce these actions as deplorable and evil?

What does your Christian reason tell you?

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 7 by Tcg]

So more like a torturer that doesn't want to kill their victims but drag it out?

[1213]

God created everything, it's said. If that's the case, there's no legitimate debate that it doesn't includes everything good and bad ....

Bad or evil is really nothing, it is like emptiness, or darkness, lack of light or goodness. Darkness don’t need to be created, because it is what is left, when light is off, nothing really. People chose to turn the light of and got darkness and therefore are without light. God is accountable of giving freedom. I think freedom is good. If people use it for rejecting God, it is their own fault if they get darkness.