Holy Horrors

Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:01 pm

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When Christians talk about the church’s good works

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/02/ho ... nEe4c_g0dA

Question for debate: What 'good works' would equal the bad works done by the church, its officials, and its organized adherents?

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 3:35 pm

Tcg wrote:
Elijah John wrote:
Willum wrote: I am not sure what sins can be forgiven when you have invoked an non-demonstrable creature as your excuse (scapegoat) for committing them.

God evidently told Moses to kill Amorites.
God evidently told Cortez to kill Native Americans.
God evidently told Polk to kill Native Americans.
God evidently told Hitler to kill Jews, Poles, and more.
God evidently told the British Army, New South Wales Mounted Police to kill Native Australians.
...and the list goes on.

None of them can demonstrate God gave the order.
That means the rational was only a horrible one.
Did Hitler claim Divine mandate to murder Jews, Poles and more? I think he just did it from his own twisted ambition, nothing more.

We find this quote in Mein Kamph:

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. (p. 65)

Tcg

If the "Lord" actually existed other than in the heads of believers, the "Lord" could have answered the fervent and terrified prayers of his Chosen People who were being exterminated by the Master Race.

The "Lord" helps Christians score touch-downs and find their car keys.

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 4:57 pm

I think we have good evidence Hitler manipulated Christianity to promote his racist agenda.

Hitler called it "Positive Christianity"
"Positive Christianity" was not "dependent upon the Apostle's Creed", nor was it dependent on "faith in Christ as the son of God", upon which Christianity relied, rather, it was represented by the Nazi Party: "The Führer is the herald of a new revelation", he said.[3] To accord with Nazi antisemitism, positive Christianity advocates also sought to deny the Semitic origins of Christ and the Bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_Christianity

Post by **Tcg** » Wed Oct 23, 2019 6:34 pm

SallyF wrote:
If the "Lord" actually existed other than in the heads of believers, the "Lord" could have answered the fervent and terrified prayers of his Chosen People who were being exterminated by the Master Race.

The "Lord" helps Christians score touch-downs and find their car keys.

If they had prayed for help before Jesus came, his Dad would have helped them. Sadly, the holocaust happened much too late.

Once his Dad turned the keys of the kingdom over to his son, only those who worshiped Jesus received his Dad's favor. The Israelites were abandoned by their God. The God that promised to always be faithful.

Jesus wanted the Israelites to follow him as they did his Dad. Given that they didn't, his followers started a new religion that favored Jesus' crew and only his crew.

Tcg

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:04 am

Tart wrote: I think we have good evidence Hitler manipulated Christianity to promote his racist agenda.

I think we have ample evidence that manipulating Christianity to promote any agenda is what every leader does.
Jesus, for some reason, wanted you to pay taxes and obey Rome.
Moses wanted you to kill Amorites.
And so on.

Leaders find religion useful.

JehovahsWitness · Post by **JehovahsWitness** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 5:22 am

[Replying to post 4 by ttruscott]

I agree, good works done atone for evil, while individuals can always repent, the organisations responsible for such horror are bloodguilyty in the eyes of God and justice will only be rendered for the victims when they are all completely destroyed!

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JJ50 · Post by **JJ50** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:49 am

So many terrible things have been done over the centuries in the name of religion, particularly Christianity and Islam. If a god does exist maybe that is how it gets its enjoyment.

marco · Post by **marco** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:53 am

JehovahsWitness wrote:
I agree, good works done atone for evil, while individuals can always repent, the organisations responsible for such horror are bloodguilyty in the eyes of God and justice will only be rendered for the victims when they are all completely destroyed!

Completely destroyed? - of course God wouldn't want to leave an arm or a leg. I think when we try to penetrate the mind of God nonsense emerges.

JehovahsWitness wrote:
Who (or what) is represented by "The WHORE of Babylon"?

Who cares? The term is so silly and obsolete that it is an embarrassment to have it mentioned in the present day. It reflects the silly prudery and misogynism of a dark age. Of course the expression provides fodder for folk to attach their pet hate object to - whoever or whatever that might be.

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