You Are No Longer You!

[POI]

If God selects you into His Kingdom of Heaven, you are no longer you. Why?

1) You will no longer sin in Heaven, as Heaven is a sinless environment. Hence, you must have a portion of your freewill stripped from you (in some capacity).
2) You will not mourn for any of your loved ones, which do not also make it into Heaven; as Heaven has no mourning, as it is Heaven after all.

Which begs a follow up question....

Whoever God chooses, He must change, in preparation for such a divine space/arena. Humans are deemed perpetual sinners. Thus, if God must change all, for whom He elects, why not just allow ALL into Heaven?

[POI]

1. Why would you feel it necessary to 'rule over' anyone?

I don't feel it necessary to rule over anyone. I am not a king, I am not God, I have not right to rule over anyone nor do I hope to.

2. Who are these people you think you are going to someday 'rule over'?

I don't think I am ever going to rule over anybody.

You do not think you are going to be one of the selected 144k?

[JehovahsWitness]

You do not think you are going to be one of the selected 144k?

No.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

HEAVEN , BORN AGAIN and ... THE 144, 000

[POI]

3. Why do you actually believe any of this?

Any of what?

That some day, 144K will rule others. Or that such a Heaven even exists? Were you indoctrinated into this belief, other?

[JehovahsWitness]

3. Why do you actually believe any of this?

Any of what?

That some day, 144K will rule others. Or that such a Heaven even exists? Were you indoctrinated into this belief, other?

No like you, I examined the facts and came to my own conlusion as to what seemed reasonable and logical to believe. Still enough about me, I don't want to deraille the thread (I see no mention of me in the OP so I presume I am not the subject of debate).




JW

[JehovahsWitness]

Why must these 144K 'rule over' anyone?

Because no society can properly function without order, and God has designed humans in such a way as they need to have leadership (Jer 10:23) . Biblically God assigned his son Jesus as earths new ruler and Jesus in turn promised to share his rulership with some of his disciples. This will be the best way for mankind to live happily and propser in peace.

This is the kingdom for which millions have prayed when they said ".... thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth"

JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

HEAVEN , GOD'S KINGDOM and ... THE 144, 000

[POI]

Why must these 144K 'rule over' anyone?

Because no society can properly function without order, and God has designed humans in such a way as they need to have leadership (Jer 10:23) . Biblically God assigned his son Jesus as earths new ruler and Jesus in turn promised to share his rulership with some of his disciples. This will be the best way for mankind to live happily and propser in peace.

This is the kingdom for which millions have prayed when they said ".... thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth"

JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

HEAVEN , GOD'S KINGDOM and ... THE 144, 000

1). Have you ever asked God, "since you can create any reality possible, why this one?"

2). Also, why not just create this end-result environment from the get-go?

And getting back to the OP.... 3) Are the 144K, which are chosen to rule over you, removed of their potential for sin prior to entering Heaven?

[POI]

3. Why do you actually believe any of this?

Any of what?

That some day, 144K will rule others. Or that such a Heaven even exists? Were you indoctrinated into this belief, other?

No like you, I examined the facts and came to my own conlusion as to what seemed reasonable and logical to believe. Still enough about me, I don't want to deraille the thread (I see no mention of me in the OP so I presume I am not the subject of debate).




JW

Well, you raise some interesting and unconventional ideas, so I was quite curious I'm always curious as to what each individual believes, and why. I've spoken to many Christians, and it seems that almost no two believe exactly alike.

[TRANSPONDER]

Why must these 144K 'rule over' anyone?

Because no society can properly function without order, and God has designed humans in such a way as they need to have leadership (Jer 10:23) . Biblically God assigned his son Jesus as earths new ruler and Jesus in turn promised to share his rulership with some of his disciples. This will be the best way for mankind to live happily and propser in peace.

This is the kingdom for which millions have prayed when they said ".... thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth"

JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

HEAVEN , GOD'S KINGDOM and ... THE 144, 000

That's all very interesting, but you know, I don't think that assertions about a God - governed society (never mind links to online religious tracts) are within the scope of the topic, which is about whether you remain yourself if you are celestially sand - blasted so as to be fit to be in heaven.

We really don't want to have to start shouting 'derail!'.

[otseng]

I'm sure you are familiar with the very elimentary notion that humans are imperfect because of the original sin and the effects of that will be removed one day thanks to the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. I see nothing interesting in discussing something everyone even a little bit familiar with Christianity can explain.

Kool. So you too now admit that you are no longer you, in Heaven, great --- (ala: your response above in bold). Thanks for playing.

Please do not attempt to bulldoze me, it will never work; at least for anyone that knows how to read.

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[JehovahsWitness]

That's all very interesting, but you know, I don't think that assertions about a God - governed society (never mind links to online religious tracts) are within the scope of the topic....

I was answering a direct question asked of me. Feel free to point out the irrelevancy of the question to the questioner.

I'm always curious as to what each individual believes, and why.

Fair enough but, as highlighted above, it is sometimes objectionable to some posters if questions are asked that have no direct relation to the subject of debate. There is a subforum to ask posters personal questions; I will link to it HERE
viewforum.php?f=26

JW