Do Christian babies all gain entry to Heaven?

[oldbadger]

This my question:-

If a Christian infant dies, will it automatically gain entry to Heaven?

[JehovahsWitness]

IS THE FACT THAT THE BIBLE PRESENTS JESUS AS LOVING CHILDREN INCOMPATIBLE WITH THE TEACHING THEY DO NOT GO TO HEAVEN?


Jesus is presented in scripture as a very kind and loving person who made time for children and spoke of the obligation to nourish and protect them. The fact that he is depicted as resurrecting a 12 year old girl illustrates that children have value in Gods eyes and that children and babies that die before adulthood will not be left dead forever.



That said, one does not have to believe children go to heaven to love and value them. Atheists can be loving parents without the need to believe children or babies go to heaven when they die. Thus the question is not "did Jesus love children and advocate their protection ?" (to which the answer is undoubtedly yes) so much as .... "What did he teach in regard to life in heaven ?" There is no reason conflate Jesus kind treatment of children with an invitation for them to be in heaven.





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[oldbadger]

I don't know what a "Watchtower NO" is so I cannot cannot respond.

Was there anything else ? It would be nice to return to the topic at hand , preferably without sarcasm.

Your last sentence is what I would describe as 'sarcasm'. You may not know what sarcasm really is.

Right, well I've learned something from all this, and in future will not refer to the Jehovahs Witnesses as the Watchtower, and will mention your opinions to any JWs who do refer to it.

Back to the subject. You don't believe that infants can get in to heaven, then....is that correct?

[JehovahsWitness]

POST #4

This my question:-

If a Christian infant dies, will it automatically gain entry to Heaven?

No, biblically: Babies do not go to heaven....

POST #46

... 'Do Christian babies all gain entry to Heaven?'

...'Do Christian babies all gain entry to Heaven?' No.

POST #63 [this post]

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Back to the subject. You don't believe that infants can get in to heaven, then....is that correct?

That is correct; don't believe that infants can get in to heaven



JW

[oldbadger]

No, biblically: Babies do not go to heaven....

...'Do Christian babies all gain entry to Heaven?' No.

That is correct; don't believe that infants can get in to heaven

JW

You have made that clear, I think.
I don't think that your heaven can be much to do with Jesus, JW.

Mark {7:27} But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled:

Martk {9:37} Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me:

Mark ]{10:14} ....Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

[JehovahsWitness]

I don't think that your heaven can be much to do with Jesus, JW.

Mark {7:27} But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled:

Martk {9:37} Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me:

Mark ]{10:14} ....Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

I did addresse that point above POST #61 . Did you see the post?




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[Purple Knight]

If a baby won't get into Heaven, then it becomes more important to take care of it until it becomes an adult that can. The adult can die. He'll be okay. The baby, not so much. This actually wraps well to the seemingly irrational way people value life, as if the baby is more valuable than the adult. I would save an adult over a baby, all else being equal, because the baby is barely human and the adult is a fully sapient being. Most people would save the baby and that's arguably because they must believe that the baby doesn't have the same chance for a favourable afterlife that the adult does.

Also, in Jewish culture, aren't you an adult when you're 13? 13 is only two years off from 11, the time most people reach the formal operational stage of development, and their full adult reasoning skills come in.

[JehovahsWitness]

... the baby is barely human and the adult is a fully sapient being.

Do you not think that paedophiles and child abusers might justify their actions with similar reasoning? Don't abortionists feel that an unborn child is "barley human"?

I'm sorry I strongly disagree.


JW

[boatsnguitars]

... the baby is barely human and the adult is a fully sapient being.

Do you not think that paedophiles and child abusers might justify their actions with similar reasoning? Don't abortionists feel that an unborn child is "barley human"?

I'm sorry I strongly disagree.


JW

So your view is less developed people are less worthy in God's eyes?

[JehovahsWitness]

... the baby is barely human and the adult is a fully sapient being.

Do you not think that paedophiles and child abusers might justify their actions with similar reasoning? Don't abortionists feel that an unborn child is "barley human"?

I'm sorry I strongly disagree.


JW

So your view is less developed people are less worthy in God's eyes?

I think your question must be for Purple, you seem to have misdirected it at me.



JW

[Purple Knight]

... the baby is barely human and the adult is a fully sapient being.

Do you not think that paedophiles and child abusers might justify their actions with similar reasoning? Don't abortionists feel that an unborn child is "barley human"?

They might. And I wouldn't disagree on the bare facts but I would point out that what they do ends up having strong negative effects on the children and adults those babies become. Raped babies grow up to be psychopaths and pederasts themselves.

I don't think fetuses and very young babies can possibly have rights, because I strongly believe you have to be at least conscious. If you gave rights to a higher animal like a chimp, I wouldn't dispute that. If you didn't, I wouldn't dispute that either. But if you tried to give rights to a rock, to the point of defending it and arresting someone for smashing it, I'd be pretty adamantly against that, and the only thing that would remedy that would be for the rock to be conscious.

However, I'm not a Libertarian, so I believe the government can, and in many cases, should overreach the mere protection of rights, for the good of society. And I strongly support laws against raping babies, laws against running red lights, laws against abusing animals, laws against having different laws for different people, laws against drunk driving, and laws against corporate faux-censorship (because it's not technically censorship unless the government does it). I will fight tooth and nail for these laws because they keep us alive and our societies functional.

I'll also say that if a group of people wants to live contrary to these laws, they should have the right to, as these laws don't speak to the protection of basic rights. If some other society wants to rape dogs, drive drunk, run red lights, and cancel viewpoints they don't like out of existence, if that's really the will of the People, let them. Especially if they're treating not-yet-conscious babies as the mere lumps of flesh they are, rather than the reasoning, conscious human beings they will become, they're going to Darwin themselves out of existence. People who treat seed for their next year of crops as what it is instead of what it can become, share the same fate.