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Did Christ heal Jews because he loved them?

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Recently I was discussing Christ's love for the Jews with our resident prophetess, Tam. As far as Tam is concerned Christ can do no wrong, and she can post Bible passages to prove it. She is fond of posting passages describing Christ's preaching love, mercy, and forgiveness. Who can argue with that? Christ we can assume had to have acted on his love for the Jews, and that's why he spent so much time healing them, for example.

Well, we all know what happens when we assume. So rather than assume we know what Jesus' motive was, let's see what he actually said about it. John 9:2-3 (NRSV) gives us the answer:
As he walked along, he saw a man blind from birth. His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?" Jesus answered, "Neither this man nor his parents sinned; he was born blind so that Gods works might be revealed in him. ...
Did Christ say that his love for the Jews was the reason he was to restore this man's sight?

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brunumb wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:06 pm
1213 wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:47 pm I know where he says part of his mission was to heal:

"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, Because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim release to the captives, Recovering of sight to the blind, To deliver those who are crushed, And to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."
Luke 4:18-19
If it was in his mission to recover sight to the blind, why did he only do that with a very limited few? If he truly had that ability the blind would have flocked to him in droves and news of the miraculous cures would have spread far and wide. But, we have no extra-biblical records of any such wandering blindness clinic working wonders. We have an itinerant preacher apparently using spit and dirt to cure blindness in what appears to be nothing more than a phony magic trick.
That's right, and that's one of the reasons why my interpretation of Christ's supposed healing activities is a better explanation for them than seeing those healings as acts of love. It's not loving to heal some while allowing others to suffer, but merely one healing can prove how amazing God is. Christ said so. Why don't the apologists here understand what Christ said?

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brunumb wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:06 pm ...If it was in his mission to recover sight to the blind, why did he only do that with a very limited few? If he truly had that ability the blind would have flocked to him in droves and news of the miraculous cures would have spread far and wide. But, we have no extra-biblical records of any such wandering blindness clinic working wonders. ...
By what the Bible tells, there were lot of people who came and were healed.

Now when Jesus saw great multitudes around him, he gave the order to depart to the other side.
Matt. 8:18

Jesus went out, and he saw a great multitude. He had compassion on them, and healed their sick.
Matt. 14:14

Great multitudes came to him, having with them the lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others, and they put them down at his feet. He healed them,
Matt. 15:30

If for example Matthew would not be in the Bible, would it be more believable to you? Would it be extra-Biblical evidence and enough for you?

By what the Bible tells, rulers hated Jesus and killed him, there is no intelligent reason to assume any extra-Biblical evidence. The leaders tried to destroy the disciples and Jesus, so it is no wonder if only few texts have remained.
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unknown soldier wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:13 pm Actually Christ often slandered the Jews and in particular he slandered the Pharisees. He falsely accused them of murder, for example.
I disagree with that.
unknown soldier wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:13 pmAnyway, there's no need to be uncivil toward others even if it is the truth. Heck, Christ would get banned from this forum for talking to people they way he spoke to the Pharisees and many of the other Jews
I can believe that. And if Jesus would come to earth, people would try to murder him again.
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Where it is said his mission was to reign?
You honestly don't know? If you really don't know, then try Revelation 17:14
That is not about his mission on earth. That is about what the writer of Revelation tells will happen when people go against the "Lamb".
unknown soldier wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:13 pm Christ was an egomaniac constantly telling people about how great and important he thought he was. He threatened all those who disagreed with destruction. He was a dangerous and fanatical religious leader.
I think that is a blatant lie, unless you just dont understand the meanings of those words.
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unknown soldier wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:13 pm
Christ was an egomaniac constantly telling people about how great and important he thought he was.

Jesus rarely if ever spoke about how great he was; that statement simply is not true

When his messiahship was challenged he defended it, he was a man on a mission and it would have been disrepectful of him to his superior not to enlighten people as to his own role in saving mankind when he had been sent for that very reason. He was truthful of his authority and did not deny his divine origins but did not Lord over people, constantly refering to his superiority. He was not ashamed of who his Father was but never mentioned himself just to focus on his talents or abilities. It was in fact not rare for him to tell people NOT to tell others what he had done for them, he would sometimes cure people and simply move on so they didn't even know who he was, Indeed when he spoke of events that he would play a central rle he would often refer to himself in the third person as "the son of man" highlighting his mortality as well as distracting undue attention from his person in favor of the subjects of events.
JOHN 5: 19

Jesus said to them: "Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing
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The reality was Jesus humility and selflessnes is clearly evident in the way he conducted himself and acted.
Egosentric self-centered people are not appealing, they have little time for others and have little to say of comfort to those in need. The Jesus of the bible was the exact opposite of such a man. Even when stressed he was indignant at the very idea that people keep little children away from him. He commended and encouraged those considered of little value in society, when a leper approached him he expressed his deep desire to help him, he fed the hunger, taught those denied instruction by the institutions of the elite of his day , and worked tirelessly for others. He spend his days not in the luxurious palces of the rich and the powerful but amongst the working people and never ONCE do we read of him complaining of his lack of comfort or his fatigue.

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When someone states something so blatently false, so profoundly perverse, so utterly and entirely in contrast to reality, it is sometimes difficult to know where to start in response. Suffice it to say, to paint the Jesus of scripture as a selfserving egomaniac is a GROSS mismisrepresentation of the content of the gospels.
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1213 wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:42 am If for example Matthew would not be in the Bible, would it be more believable to you? Would it be extra-Biblical evidence and enough for you?

By what the Bible tells, rulers hated Jesus and killed him, there is no intelligent reason to assume any extra-Biblical evidence. The leaders tried to destroy the disciples and Jesus, so it is no wonder if only few texts have remained.
Matthew is just spreading religious propaganda, not recording history. If the events were true then there would surely be accounts of such extraordinary events from those intent on recording the history of their times.
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1213 wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:43 am And if Jesus would come to earth, people would try to murder him again.
On what do you base this claim? Do you think that is the reason why he hasn't returned yet? Only one resurrection per deity.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:56 pm
unknown soldier wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:13 pm
Christ was an egomaniac constantly telling people about how great and important he thought he was.

Jesus rarely if ever spoke about how great he was; that statement simply is not true
But why did Christ see himself as God's right-hand man and the only way to God? He even went so far as to tell people he personified the "Truth" (upper-case T) and implied that he was God. He became furious with all those who would not believe him and abused them calling them "fools and blind." He also expressed great sadness if he felt he was being rejected by those he claimed to help. If we are willing to see Christ as either a mere man or the creation of men, then we see clearly what ailed him as the scales fall from our eyes. I think Christ exhibited symptoms of egomania. According to Wikipedia:
Egomania is psychiatric term used to describe excessive preoccupation with one's ego, identity or self and applies the same preoccupation to anyone who follows ones own ungoverned impulses, is possessed by delusions of personal greatness & grandeur and feels a lack of appreciation.
This description fits Christ's behavior and attitude to a T. If he existed, then he was an egomaniac.

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1213 wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:43 am
unknown soldier wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:13 pm Actually Christ often slandered the Jews and in particular he slandered the Pharisees. He falsely accused them of murder, for example.
I disagree with that.
Why do you disagree?
unknown soldier wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:13 pmAnyway, there's no need to be uncivil toward others even if it is the truth. Heck, Christ would get banned from this forum for talking to people they way he spoke to the Pharisees and many of the other Jews
I can believe that. And if Jesus would come to earth, people would try to murder him again.
I can believe that! Or at least sensible people would stay away from him.
unknown soldier wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:13 pm
Where it is said his mission was to reign?
You honestly don't know? If you really don't know, then try Revelation 17:14
That is not about his mission on earth. That is about what the writer of Revelation tells will happen when people go against the "Lamb".
You inserted the stipulation "on earth" to slip out of my pointing out that according to the Christ myth, Jesus was to reign as a king. Originally you asked me to document where the Bible says Christ was to be a king. When I came up with that information, you moved the goalposts to deny me my "score."

Anyway, what you've done here is very typical of the apologists on this board. You demand evidence for what you already know is true, and if that evidence is posted, then you come up with some ad hoc way to deny it.
unknown soldier wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:13 pm Christ was an egomaniac constantly telling people about how great and important he thought he was. He threatened all those who disagreed with destruction. He was a dangerous and fanatical religious leader.
I think that is a blatant lie, unless you just dont understand the meanings of those words.
Why deny that Christ was an egomaniac? Do you fear that a "mental-case Jesus" cannot get you to heaven?

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unknown soldier wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:48 am Why do you disagree?
Because I think your claim is not true, it is baseless.
unknown soldier wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:48 amYou inserted the stipulation "on earth" to slip out of my pointing out that according to the Christ myth, Jesus was to reign as a king. Originally you asked me to document where the Bible says Christ was to be a king. When I came up with that information, you moved the goalposts to deny me my "score."
Ok, sorry, I thought you were speaking of why Jesus came on earth about 2000 years ago. By what the Bible tells, the reason was what I told earlier.
unknown soldier wrote: Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:48 amWhy deny that Christ was an egomaniac? Do you fear that a "mental-case Jesus" cannot get you to heaven?
There simply is no intelligent reason to think he is egomaniac.

For me nothing of this is about getting into heaven. I dont think that can be earned in any way.
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brunumb wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:55 pm
1213 wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:43 am And if Jesus would come to earth, people would try to murder him again.
On what do you base this claim? Do you think that is the reason why he hasn't returned yet?
I base that on how I see leaders to treat people, especially if they tell the truth. Leaders have not changed to better from the last time Jesus was one earth. Leaders are probably even more evil nowadays (for example the lockdowns and totalitarian plans because of the "Covid").
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