144,000 to rule as kings with Jesus

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 39 here:

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Only select few (144,000) will be given the special privilege to rule as kings with Jesus
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For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the quoted claim is true and factual.

Remember, the bible ain't considered authoritative in this section of the site.

[JehovahsWitness]

From Post 39 here:

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Only select few (144,000) will be given the special privilege to rule as kings with Jesus
...

For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the quoted claim is true and factual.

Remember, the bible ain't considered authoritative in this section of the site.

Did anyone on this foum claim this was true? I certainly did not.




JEHOVAHS WITNESS


NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 39 here:

...
Only select few (144,000) will be given the special privilege to rule as kings with Jesus
...

For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the quoted claim is true and factual.

Remember, the bible ain't considered authoritative in this section of the site.

Did anyone on this foum claim this was true? I certainly did not.
JEHOVAHS WITNESS
NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses

I note you consider it your belief.

I seek to determine if that belief has a basis in truth, or reality.

[JehovahsWitness]

I seek to determine if that belief has a basis in truth, or reality.

Well it is certainly based on reality: namely the reality of it being a teaching contained in the bible canon (see Rev 14:1, 20:6). Whether the words are true or not is for you to determine; I wish you success in your quest. Do let us know how you get on.



JW

[JoeyKnothead]

[quote=JoeyKnothead post_id=1047725 time=1629668290 user_id=3mI seek to determine if that belief has a basis in truth, or reality.

Well I wish you success in your search. Do let us knkw how you get on.
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I've already drawn my conclusion in this matter...

The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.

I was hoping to find out my conclusion was in error.

[JehovahsWitness]

I've already drawn my conclusion in this matter... [...] I was hoping to find out my conclusion was in error.

Well, I hope this thread gives you all you are hoping for. I'll keep an eye on it, if only because you used my beliefs as a platform to express for your hopes in this regard.



JW

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HEAVEN , BORN AGAIN and ... THE 144, 000

[JoeyKnothead]

I've already drawn my conclusion in this matter... [...] I was hoping to find out my conclusion was in error.

Well, I hope this thread gives you all you are hoping for. I'll keep an eye on it, if only because you used my beliefs as a platform to express for your hopes in this regard

It does have the side effect of showing just how little truth there is in "The Truth".

[brunumb]

From Post 39 here:

...
Only select few (144,000) will be given the special privilege to rule as kings with Jesus
...

For debate:

Please offer some means to confirm the quoted claim is true and factual.

Remember, the bible ain't considered authoritative in this section of the site.

According to Revelation 14 the 144000 are virgin men:

And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Good luck with that Jehovah! I wonder how many JWs will qualify. By the way, it seems that having sex with women is akin to being defiled. So, does that exclude having sex with other men or even children? Could explain a lot.

As to the topic question, there is absolutely no way of telling if it is true or not. Given the insane ramblings of the author of Revelation I'm betting that it's not true and you would have to be way down the rabbit hole to give it any credibility.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to brunumb in post #8]

According to Revelation 14 the 144000 are virgin men...

I wonder how that specific number was chosen by the author rather than some other. What is the significance of 144,000? Twelve squared is 144 and 12 is a relatively important number in the bible. The OT states there were 12 sons of Jacob and those 12 sons formed the 12 tribes of Israel. The NT states that Jesus had 12 apostles. According to Revelation, the kingdom of God has 12 gates guarded by 12 angels. Then there are 12 months of the year and the 12 constellations of the zodiac, etc.

Squaring 12 can give 144, but why would that be done? Then this is multiplied by 1000 for some reason, but maybe it was considered that 144 helpers was not enough, so multiplying by a nice, round factor of 1000 was thought to be more reasonable? Is there any religious text that explains this particular number? Or does it just appear in a holy book and for that reason alone it is believed to be valid? Seems a strange number to pick, but maybe there is an explanation for it?

[Diagoras]

I seek to determine if that belief has a basis in truth, or reality.

Well it is certainly based on reality: namely the reality of it being a teaching contained in the bible canon (see Rev 14:1, 20:6). Whether the words are true or not is for you to determine; I wish you success in your quest. Do let us know how you get on.

JW

I followed one of your links that you put in the original post - found this:

Jehovah's Witnesses [...] limit the scope of their heaven by insisting ... only 144,000 will be [there] .

Jehovah's Witnesses based the understanding that only 144,000 individuals from the earth will be resurrected to heavenly life on Revelation Chapter 14:1. We understand this number to be literal. You may disagree with this interpretation, but we didn't just pluck the number out of thin air, it is a number in the BIBLE.

So now I'm a little confused as to what you're objecting to here. Presumably, you'll accept as true the fact that you did say:

Only select few (144,000) will be given the special privilege to rule as kings with Jesus

And presumably, you'll accept as true the fact that the basis for saying so comes from a specific Bible verse which states the number 144,000 specifically.

If you believe that verse from Revelation to be true (and provide us no other non-biblical evidence in support of the claim), then I don't see anything inherently wrong with stating that your belief is simply founded on both faith in the bible and a literal reading of that passage.

Stating a belief is founded in faith is surely a hallmark of Christianity - I'm wondering why you seem to be avoiding that, and instead replying in what to me seems a rather snarky manner.