You Are No Longer You!

[POI]

If God selects you into His Kingdom of Heaven, you are no longer you. Why?

1) You will no longer sin in Heaven, as Heaven is a sinless environment. Hence, you must have a portion of your freewill stripped from you (in some capacity).
2) You will not mourn for any of your loved ones, which do not also make it into Heaven; as Heaven has no mourning, as it is Heaven after all.

Which begs a follow up question....

Whoever God chooses, He must change, in preparation for such a divine space/arena. Humans are deemed perpetual sinners. Thus, if God must change all, for whom He elects, why not just allow ALL into Heaven?

[JehovahsWitness]

I'm sure you are familiar with the very elimentary notion that humans are imperfect because of the original sin and the effects of that will be removed one day thanks to the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. I see nothing interesting in discussing something everyone even a little bit familiar with Christianity can explain.

Kool. So you too now admit that you are no longer you, in Heaven, great --- (ala: your response above in bold). Thanks for playing.

Please do not attempt to bulldoze me, it will never work; at least for anyone that knows how to read.

If, however you would like to explain what you mean by "you are no longer you" I will tell you if that correponds to being a perfect human being ie being without [adamic/inherited] sin.


See above post #25 for details. LINK
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JW

[POI]

If, however you would like to explain what you mean by "you are no longer you" I will tell you if that correponds to being a perfect human being ie being without [adamic/inherited] sin.

Why do you wish to vet out this particular phrase so deeply? If you never sinned again, and you then never again mourned the loss of a loved one for which God sends to hell, you would 'no longer be you.' You are completely changed. God says all will sin on earth. You possess empathy for the suffering here on earth. You no longer sin, and you no longer mourn. You are now the opposite. If your closest loved one was known to be in hell, and you are nothing but blissful here on earth, you might be classified as uncaring. But apparently, when you are in Heaven, and if nothing but bliss prevails, mourning would not be possible. Are you uncaring here on earth? I doubt it. It's really not that deep.

Without further ado.... Why not just allow all into Heaven, since He is going to remove all sin anyways?

BTW, the Bible already expressed we cannot be without sin, here on earth. But thanks anyways.

[JehovahsWitness]

If, however you would like to explain what you mean by "you are no longer you" I will tell you if that correponds to being a perfect human being ie being without [adamic/inherited] sin.

Why do you wish to vet out this particular phrase so deeply? If you never sinned again ... {snip: evasion}

I did not ask you'to define what *I* mean by freedom from adamic sin I asked you to define what YOU mean by "you are no longer you". Would you like to answer the question?

[brunumb]

If your closest loved one was known to be in hell, and you are nothing but blissful here on earth, you might be classified as uncaring.

Given the way Jehovah's Witnesses readily disfellowship even family members, I'm convinced they wouldn't give a toss about anyone ending up in hell as long as it wasn't them.

[POI]

If, however you would like to explain what you mean by "you are no longer you" I will tell you if that correponds to being a perfect human being ie being without [adamic/inherited] sin.

Why do you wish to vet out this particular phrase so deeply? If you never sinned again ... {snip: evasion}

I did not ask you'to define what *I* mean by freedom from adamic sin I asked you to define what YOU mean by "you are no longer you". Would you like to answer the question?

Seems as though I already called it, back at the top of post #11. You skip many points. First and foremost, I've already addressed (your) questions, more than once. Please re-read what I have written, as it is not my job to keep repeating information, for which you do not appear to fully grasp yet? But regardless, you already admitted, in post #29, "original sin and the effects of that will be removed." Hence, you have addressed my basic question, regarding what needs to change, finally. The necessary change, for which will occur, is that God will remove sin. So rather than moving backwards, can you finally answer my OP question, at the bottom? Or, are you going to ignore it, yet again...?

Since sin is removed, why does God not allow all into Heaven?

[TRANSPONDER]

If, however you would like to explain what you mean by "you are no longer you" I will tell you if that correponds to being a perfect human being ie being without [adamic/inherited] sin.

Why do you wish to vet out this particular phrase so deeply? If you never sinned again ... {snip: evasion}

I did not ask you'to define what *I* mean by freedom from adamic sin I asked you to define what YOU mean by "you are no longer you". Would you like to answer the question?

Seems as though I already called it, back at the top of post #11. You skip many points. First and foremost, I've already addressed (your) questions, more than once. Please re-read what I have written, as it is not my job to keep repeating information, for which you do not appear to fully grasp yet? But regardless, you already admitted, in post #29, "original sin and the effects of that will be removed." Hence, you have addressed my basic question, regarding what needs to change, finally. The necessary change, for which will occur, is that God will remove sin. So rather than moving backwards, can you finally answer my OP question, at the bottom? Or, are you going to ignore it, yet again...?

Since sin is removed, why does God not allow all into Heaven?

JW certainly appears to change the point to something unrelated. The point about having to burn away all sin leaves one with so little of what made them human and themselves that they effectively become a mindless soul -bubble is nothing to do whether that makes one a perfect human being without Adamic sin.

The process by definition has to burn away all that Adamic sin so that one becomes perfect, not just to make one fit to enter heaven but so one can exist there eternally without being bothered that the most of your fellows are burning eternally.

[JehovahsWitness]

Since sin is removed, why does God not allow all into Heaven?

Did you not see my earlier answer to this question?
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FURTHER READING What is God's Kingdom?
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/book ... s-kingdom/

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HEAVEN , THE 144, 000 and ... THE MILLENIUM

[TRANSPONDER]

Since sin is removed, why does God not allow all into Heaven?

Did you not see my earlier answer to this question?
viewtopic.php?p=1047624#p1047624

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I had a look at that, but it doesn't really answer the question. It talks of the conditions of being allowed into heaven, a particular number selected for some purpose or another and implies that there is no guarantee for anyone else.

It doesn't answer the question of why not everyone? It is easy to say 'God wants it that way', but why, if humans can see a fairer way of a god that can do anything doing whatever is needed to get his creation into heaven, can't a god that presumably has the sort of morality along the lines of the morality He supposedly gave us, do better than that?

[JehovahsWitness]

Why not just allow ALL into Heaven?

Biblically, because he doesnt WANT everyone in heaven. Only select few (144,000) will be given the special privilege to rule as kings with Jesus, . If everyone ruled there would be nobody to rule OVER. God has destined humans to live for all eternity on this our planet earth enjoying it as our permanent home. Angels (spirits) were made to live with God in heaven but the bible says God has given the earth to "the sons of men" (humans).



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[JehovahsWitness]

JW certainly appears to change the point to something unrelated.

How is it "unrelated" to seek clarification on the terms used in the OP?

If God selects you into His Kingdom of Heaven, you are no longer you. ...

... I asked you to define what YOU mean by "you are no longer you". Would you like to answer the question?

Also see
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