JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 9:35 pm
Willum wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 8:42 pm
Topic for debate – God was defeated by Satan everywhere else, is there any way to show this isn’t also true? (
According to the religion, that is...)
According to my religion, there is indeed an anwser to the question as to whether one can show if Satan has defeated God, namely to look to the information in the bible.[/color]
GOD DEFEATS SATAN
Scripture in no way presents Satan as defeating God (YHWH) quite the opposite, God is presented as having has exposed Satan as a liar, debased and humiliated him and his angelic forces and prophecy indicates YHWH Jehovah will eventually destroy all Satan had achieved and annilhilate Satan himself.
From what I read God's greatest defeat was his loss of humankind to the clutches of Satan. Satan snatched innocence away from A&E in the Garden, and hasn't let go. Even god's attempt to rectify his loss by killing all but eight people in the great flood was a monumental flop. After the waters receded Satan again emerged triumphant. In fact, when one considers how god's plan to populate earth with "
humans who will be like us," and "
in his own image. He created them to be like himself," went so awry that it turned into a colossal failure, one has to wonder how a mere angel could best any god. But he did, and It turned the whole of humanity upside down. Had Satan not pushed god's Revenge Button, inciting Him to punish A&E and all those who followed there would be no reason to have today's police forces, armies, and perhaps even diseases. But Satan did get the best of god, bringing mankind to his side; a real game changer. People constantly ignore god's wishes and dictates. In all, this was a immense win for Satan, from which god, despite his effort to correct the situation with Noah, has never fully recovered. Even those humans today who defer to god and worship him still go against his commands and will sin. Why? Because Satan defeated god and still rules.
About the only contest where god came out on top against Satan was when he agreed that Satan could tempt poor Job into dissing god. Here we have a guy living a very comfortable and faithful life when "god" pulls the rugt out from under him for essentially a one-dollar bet. To this end Satan killed Job's sheep, servants, and even his seven sons and three daughters, and all without a peep from god. Obviously the lives of these many human lives were nothing when compared to winning an impulsive bet---considering god's disregard for the lives of innocent women, children, and infants, telling people to kill such individuals, this should come as no surprise. For a god who admits to creating evil it's actually keeping in character.
So, there's been no "
GOD DEFEATS SATAN." And while "
God is presented as having has exposed Satan as a liar, debased and humiliated him and his angelic forces and prophecy" considering all the years that have passed with Satan in control why would anyone believe this "
indicates YHWH Jehovah will eventually destroy all Satan had achieved and annilhilate Satan himself"? If god is actually capable of doing such a thing then what is he waiting for? The Population Reference Bureau
estimates that about 107 billion people have ever lived. That's 107 billion people who have
never lived "
in his own image," but more so in the image of Satan.
Nah, as it stands the score board presently reads:
Satan 1 (perhaps even 2 if one wants to include the Noah debacle)
God...0
.
