Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[Eloi]

[Replying to Eloi in post #2039]

With no more death, or mourning, or crying, or pain.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

There will be no more Adamic death, of course. However, as we know, people, even if they are perfect and are in a perfect environment, can become disobedient, as the Devil and our first parents did. For that reason, although there is no symbolic place of Hades where those who suffer death now go, there will be what the Bible calls Gehenna and lake of fire, where Hades is cast. As Isaiah 65:20 says, even if a person is 100 years old and his skin is like that of a child, if he rebels like those who did before, they will be thrown there.

I don't think people are going to mourn whoever wants to make paradise the same as the earth has been converted after the rebellion of our first parents. Aaron was required not to cry when his rebellious children were destroyed by Jehovah, and Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt by looking at what she left behind her.

If a person rebels in paradise, it will no longer be necessary to give the situation time to clarify the issues like after Eden; it will be destroyed immediately. There are already references to know the consequences of disobeying Jehovah.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to Eloi in post #2039]

With no more death, or mourning, or crying, or pain.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

There will be no more Adamic death, of course.

And that, dear Eloi, brings us right back to where this whole exchange began, here:

viewtopic.php?p=1061906#p1061906

and here:

viewtopic.php?p=1061934#p1061934

However, as we know, people, even if they are perfect and are in a perfect environment, can become disobedient, as the Devil and our first parents did. For that reason, although there is no symbolic place of Hades where those who suffer death now go, there will be what the Bible calls Gehenna and lake of fire, where Hades is cast. As Isaiah 65:20 says, even if a person is 100 years old and his skin is like that of a child, if he rebels like those who did before, they will be thrown there.

And here,

viewtopic.php?p=1061944#p1061944

and here,

viewtopic.php?p=1061956#p1061956




Peace again to you, and to you all,
your servant and slave of Christ,
tammy

[Eloi]

[Replying to tam in post #2]
I don't read back, dear Tam. I follow the thread and move on.

[tam]

[Replying to Eloi in post #2043]

You do as you choose, dear Eloi. But I already responded to those exact things that you said. Some of those responses were even to you, as those links will show. So instead of repeating word for word what I already wrote, I will just leave those posts to stand as they are, for anyone who wishes to read and/or respond.

Peace again to you, and to you all,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[Eloi]

[Replying to Eloi in post #2043]

You do as you choose, dear Eloi. But I already responded to those exact things that you said. Some of those responses were even to you, as those links will show. So instead of repeating word for word what I already wrote, I will just leave those posts to stand as they are, for anyone who wishes to read and/or respond.

Peace again to you, and to you all,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

I probably responded to what you answered also. I won't loose my time going in circles.

If that's all, have a great day.

[tam]

Peace to you,

[Replying to Eloi in post #2043]

You do as you choose, dear Eloi. But I already responded to those exact things that you said. Some of those responses were even to you, as those links will show. So instead of repeating word for word what I already wrote, I will just leave those posts to stand as they are, for anyone who wishes to read and/or respond.

Peace again to you, and to you all,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

I probably responded to what you answered also. I won't loose my time going in circles.

Well it's there if anyone (including you) wants to see.

If that's all, have a great day.

You as well.

[onewithhim]

Jesus was human, he was obviously mortal (since he died) so shared the same type of body all other humans have, a physical (natural) flesh and blood body.

Thanks to the ransom, mankind will return to exactly the same condition as Christ was while he was a human. Christ died for mankind so that humans could be physically and spiritually perfect.

Why would Christians desire to return to the human state, when the Bible promises us everlasting life??

Is the promise of everlasting life a fraud?

Because we can have everlasting life right here on Earth, doing the things we enjoy doing today. We will never have to stop doing things we love to do.

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Christians who are born again of the Spirit are going to rule the earth forever with Jesus our Lord. Those born of the Spirit are spirit.

So at that time believers will be spiritual bodied beings forever -- there is no going back once one becomes an immortal spiritual being.

We will not have any of the negative consequences of being human -- hunger, thirst, pain, fear, death, etc.

In that context, why would we desire to return to being physical humans as you claim above?

There are only a few born-again spirit-anointed Christians who will reign. Why be presumptuous enough to believe that we all can reign with Christ? Jehovah has chosen 144,000 to become spirit people and live in heaven. They have just about all been sealed so far. There are only about 9 thousand left on Earth now who are awaiting their ascension to heaven. I am perfectly fine with the prospect of living on this beautiful earth forever. I do not want to live in heaven. God made this earth for humans to live on and he has given us a wonderful home with lots to do forever.

"For this is what Jehovah says, the Creator of the heavens , the true God, the One who formed the earth, its Maker who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, but formed it to be inhabited: 'I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.'" (Isaiah 45:18)

"As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah, but the earth he has given to the sons of men." (Psalm 115:16)


Being human does not mean we will have hunger, thirst, pain, fear, and death. All those things will be gone after Armageddon.

God will "wipe out every tear from our eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. They will all pass away and be gone forever." (Revelation 21:4)

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[myth-one.com]

Jesus settled the issue of whether a perfect human can stay perfectly loyal to God; Humans are not inevitably destined to rebel.

Yes, that's one, and only one, in about 13 billion humans.

After the final test of the release of Satan, all those alive will have proved they love God and support his soverienty. If after that anyone does decide to oppose God, they will not be allowed to ruin paradise; the wages of sin is death.

Death will have been defeated by that time. So there will be no more death.

Consequently, the wages of sin is no longer death after that time.

Spiritual beings cannot be killed.

The maximum possible wages for sin will have become much worse that simply death.

[2ndpillar2]

[Replying to Eloi in post #2039]

With no more death, or mourning, or crying, or pain.



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

There will be no more Adamic death, of course. However, as we know, people, even if they are perfect and are in a perfect environment, can become disobedient, as the Devil and our first parents did. For that reason, although there is no symbolic place of Hades where those who suffer death now go, there will be what the Bible calls Gehenna and lake of fire, where Hades is cast. As Isaiah 65:20 says, even if a person is 100 years old and his skin is like that of a child, if he rebels like those who did before, they will be thrown there.

I don't think people are going to mourn whoever wants to make paradise the same as the earth has been converted after the rebellion of our first parents. Aaron was required not to cry when his rebellious children were destroyed by Jehovah, and Lot's wife was turned into a pillar of salt by looking at what she left behind her.

If a person rebels in paradise, it will no longer be necessary to give the situation time to clarify the issues like after Eden; it will be destroyed immediately. There are already references to know the consequences of disobeying Jehovah.

Isaiah 65:20 is for the people who live into the millennium, those who have "survived" the "day of the LORD" (Joel 2:31-32). Which is to say that those will live to the age of at least 100 years old unless they are thought of as "accursed". Some of their descendants will eventually be gathered by the devil, who was let out of the abyss (Revelation 20), to come against the righteous in Jerusalem (Ezekiel 38). Those gentiles/nations that survive the period of "distress", the great tribulation, will confess that their fathers inherited nothing but falsehood (Jeremiah 16:19). As for the nations which sold Judah into bondage, will themselves be sold into bondage (Joel 3:6-8). "Stangers"/nations will submit to being servants to Jacob (Isaiah 14:1-2).

[onewithhim]

Jesus settled the issue of whether a perfect human can stay perfectly loyal to God; Humans are not inevitably destined to rebel.

Yes, that's one, and only one, in about 13 billion humans.

After the final test of the release of Satan, all those alive will have proved they love God and support his soverienty. If after that anyone does decide to oppose God, they will not be allowed to ruin paradise; the wages of sin is death.

Death will have been defeated by that time. So there will be no more death.

Consequently, the wages of sin is no longer death after that time.

Spiritual beings cannot be killed.

The maximum possible wages for sin will have become much worse that simply death.

No, death will be defeated at the end of the Millennium. After the last ones of Satan's crowd goes off into destruction, then death is no more. (Revelation 20:7-10)

Spirit beings can be killed......Satan and his hordes are cast into the lake of fire---symbolic for eternal DEATH.

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