A 6 Day Creation

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 961 here:

There is now more evidence than ever before about 6-day creation.

For debate:

Please offer evidence for a literal six day creation of the Universe.

Please remember that in this section of the site the Bible is not considered authoritative.

[Sherlock Holmes]

All written history, particularly from antiquity is "a collection of claims", how have you proceeded in the past to "verify" the truth of any of them? Give me one example from ancient history that you have ever even bothered to "verify" and hold to be true? then tell us all please, how exactly you performed the "verification"?

I can't wait to learn from your erudition.

I present your post history as historical evidence you refuse to accept any argument that fusses it up with the ignorance you display in scientific matters.

Give me one example from ancient history that you have ever even bothered to "verify" and hold to be true? then tell us all please, how exactly you performed the "verification"? do you find the question discomforting?

[Sherlock Holmes]

(that question will keep em quiet for a spell!)

[JoeyKnothead]

Delete dupe.

[JoeyKnothead]

All written history, particularly from antiquity is "a collection of claims", how have you proceeded in the past to "verify" the truth of any of them? Give me one example from ancient history that you have ever even bothered to "verify" and hold to be true? then tell us all please, how exactly you performed the "verification"?

I can't wait to learn from your erudition.

I present your post history as historical evidence you refuse to accept any argument that fusses it up with the ignorance you display in scientific matters.

Give me one example from ancient history that you have ever even bothered to "verify" and hold to be true? then tell us all please, how exactly you performed the "verification"? do you find the question discomforting?

My comments relate to your stated, "all written history".

As I make no claims regarding a history I can't confirm, I'm under no obligation to support such.


Up to and including historical religious claims.

[Sherlock Holmes]

All written history, particularly from antiquity is "a collection of claims", how have you proceeded in the past to "verify" the truth of any of them? Give me one example from ancient history that you have ever even bothered to "verify" and hold to be true? then tell us all please, how exactly you performed the "verification"?

I can't wait to learn from your erudition.

I present your post history as historical evidence you refuse to accept any argument that fusses it up with the ignorance you display in scientific matters.

Give me one example from ancient history that you have ever even bothered to "verify" and hold to be true? then tell us all please, how exactly you performed the "verification"? do you find the question discomforting?

My comments relate to your stated, "all written history".

As I make no claims regarding a history I can't confirm, I'm under no obligation to support such.

Just answer the question man, Give me one example from ancient history that you have ever even bothered to "verify" and hold to be true? then tell us all please, how exactly you performed the "verification"?

So you actually believe none of what is claimed in ancient history books? you implied you have confirmed things, so what? and how?

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to brunumb in post #54]

Ah, yes. When a Christian does bad things or realises that they got it all wrong, they were never actually a Christian.

Not true. They could have been Christian and deceived. The determining factor is whether they are convicted of their sin. Only they know whether they are convicted of that sin. But if it is something that they do over and over again Christians are instructed to treat them as if they are not Christian.

Now there are some sins in which there is a long path of sin to get to that type of sin. Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, murder would be examples of these types of sin. These types of sins need someone to come alongside them and help them because many times it is a long walk out of that sin. If the person does not want help in walking out of these types of sin then again they are not a Christian.

So again sin does not determine whether a person is a Christian or not it is the conviction of sin and his desire to rid themselves of that sin that determines whether they are a Christian or not. This desire to rid yourself of sin only happens when a person becomes a Christian.

The No True Christian™ card usually gets played whenever there is nothing substantial available. Throw in a few opinions expressed in an ancient text and that is supposed to close the case. The Bible is a collection of claims and is not evidence that the claims or opinions expressed within it are true.

No clue what you are trying to say here.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to alexxcJRO in post #0]

Same as all Christians.
I believed because of the testimonial evidence of the Bible, because of my personal religious experience, because the universe seemed wonderous, intricate, complicated and so on, because I thought people spoked in Heavenly languages when they spoked in tongues.

This is not what you said you believed because of:

• testimonial evidence of the Bible

• my personal religious experience

• the universe seemed wonderous, intricate, complicated

• spoked in Heavenly languages when they spoked in tongues

I understand the type of Church you were in. There seems to be a lot of people from that type of Church on this forum that say they do not believe in the Bible anymore.

Why did you believe you were a sinner? Parents can only train a child in the way they should go. Church leaders can only point people in the correct direction. There are many who try to follow a person they respect at that time but they really never count the cost for themselves. Narrow is the road that leads to life and few will find it. It is narrow because it is a hard road to travel. Most of the time God puts trials in your life, not prosperity.

Hebrews 11 call the faith all of fame speaks of great things that God did through men but at the end of Hebrews 11 it says this:

• "Some were tortured, refusing to accept release so that they might rise again to a better life. Others suffered mocking and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in two,they were killed with the sword. They went about in skins of sheep and goats, destitute, afflicted, mistreated— of whom the world was not worthy—wandering about in deserts and mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth."

• Jesus even said that in this world you will have trouble. John 16:33 "I have said these things to you, that in me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

That is why Bible says that you must count the cost of becoming a Christian:

• “If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be My disciple. And whoever does not carry his cross and follow Me cannot be My disciple. Which of you, wishing to build a tower, does not first sit down and count the cost to see if he has the resources to complete it? Luke 14:26-28

When you become a Christian you can rest assured that trouble is coming your way. You may ask why would anyone become a Christian? The answer is the same for all Christians the weight of sin is heavier than anything in this world. That is the cost you are counting. Is the weight of the sin that must be carried heavier than any trouble in this world.

Evidently, for you, the answer was no. The weight of sin was not heavier than the weight of this world.

[JoeyKnothead]

Just answer the question man, Give me one example from ancient history that you have ever even bothered to "verify" and hold to be true? then tell us all please, how exactly you performed the "verification"?

Please refer to site rules. I'm under no obligation to support claims I don't make.

You got a lot of dang gall asking me to support claims I don't make, given your penchant for not supporting your own claims when challenged.

So you actually believe none of what is claimed in ancient history books? you implied you have confirmed things, so what? and how?

I will not be goaded into supporting claims I don't make - especially by someone who so often refuses to support their own.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Just answer the question man, Give me one example from ancient history that you have ever even bothered to "verify" and hold to be true? then tell us all please, how exactly you performed the "verification"?

Please refer to site rules. I'm under no obligation to support claims I don't make.

You got a lot of dang gall asking me to support claims I don't make, given your penchant for not supporting your own claims when challenged.

So you actually believe none of what is claimed in ancient history books? you implied you have confirmed things, so what? and how?

I will not be goaded into supporting claims I don't make - especially by someone who so often refuses to support their own.

As I suspected, all talk and no action.

You believe a ton of stuff yet you've never verified any of it have y'all?

Was Spartacus real?

Was Aristotle real?

and the list goes on and on and on, y'all believe in them yet y'all ain't verified none.

By the way, is this you?



He sure sounds like you when he's a talkin, and like you he lives in the Twilight Zone with lots of other atheists.

[brunumb]

As I suspected, all talk and no action.

You believe a ton of stuff yet you've never verified any of it have y'all?

Was Spartacus real?

Was Aristotle real?

and the list goes on and on and on, y'all believe in them yet y'all ain't verified none.

You left out the Holy Spirit which I don't recall you ever demonstrating to be real. Where is the evidence for this being that is so important in determining who is a True Christian™ or not? Let's face it, you believe purely because of indoctrination.